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St. Thomas Parishioners Locked Out

July 31st, 2013, Promulgated by Gen

Just when it seemed that the situation in Irondequoit had reached some sort of equilibrium, Fr. English reminds us that this is not the case. After having instructed parishioners of St. Thomas (sorry…St. Kateri Tekakwitha at St. Thomas the Apostle) not to pray their daily Rosaries there, the administration of the “parish” decided to change the locks on the doors to the church. This was done without any prior notification of the parishioners, adorers, or other visitors who sought to visit Our Lord in His holy place. 398574_10150600168381842_509333251_n

Simply put, Fr. English has locked his own parishioners out of their own church. Remember: St. Thomas the Apostle has not been closed. It is an open church, consecrated and fully able to minister sacramentally to the people of the city, presuming, of course, that her priest(s) choose not to shirk their duty to do so. The parish has been stripped of its Masses, its confession schedule, and all devotions, and for no other reason than a warped sense of political expediency. This is not pastoral planning; this is pastoral vengeance.

The people of St. Thomas have been fighting for years to maintain a presence in their own church. They ought never to have needed to do so, based on their stable finances, demographics, and campus upkeep. Indeed, of all the Irondequoit parishes, St. Thomas was in the best position to facilitate a gentle transition to a prosperous worship community. This was overlooked by many, though. Every individual in a position of authority lorded that authority over the people of St. Thomas, and did this only because of one reason: St. Thomas the Apostle rejoices in its Catholic identity. The same cannot be said of Christ the King, where the casual observer finds himself asking, “is this really a Catholic church?”

The willful and deliberate targeting of St. Thomas has been an unquestionable trend for the past several years, and this most recent transgression refreshes in our minds the memories of past injustices. The manner in which the parish of St. Thomas the Apostle has been “dealt with” bears a striking similarity to the Jews’ treatment of Our Lord in his final days. The Diocese, like the High Priest and his minions, hides behind flawed interpretations of Canon Law, and bends the Law to suit its own agenda. The machinations of the priests took place in darkness, hidden from the light of day, from the light of Truth. Fr. English, I think it is fair to say, is not acting entirely dissimilarly in this matter.

76079_461342011841_6916584_n We should ask of him several questions, to see what possible justification he might have in locking his parishioners out of their worship site. Primarily, why now? What happened to prompt him to seal shut the doors of one of his own churches? Was there theft? Was there mistreatment of property? Did someone say their “Hail Mary” a little too loudly for his liking? Next, we should ask what part of Canon Law allows a pastor to lock his flock out of their church? He might say that locks are changed frequently, and for all sorts of reasons. And this is true. However, in most instances when a parish has its locks changed, the pastor sees to it that the faithful actually have access to the church, and don’t find themselves left out on the steps. His defense might be that “we don’t use St. Thomas for Mass any more. We worship at St. Cecelia, Christ the King, and St. Margaret Mary.” Yes, that is true. But St. Thomas is not closed, and being in that state, cannot be locked to the faithful. The Vatican ruled that it could not “save” St. Thomas because, on paper, St. Thomas is not in any need of being saved. It is officially open. There is no doubt about this. And, maybe I just don’t understand, maybe I don’t speak English too good, but isn’t an “open” church actually supposed to be open?

As of this writing, the canon lawyer representing St. Thomas has been contacted, and is working on resolving the situation. Let us pray for a resolution that is just and equitable for the parishioners. But remember: our politically-motivated priests don’t operate with a focus on the Faith, on objective Truth. No. They can’t focus their eyes on anything, living and operating as they do in the shadow-lands of legality. Do not expect, dear friends, to be dealt with by those in charge with any semblance of respect or charity. But stand firm, be vigilant, do not yield. The Office of Compline tells us, “Be sober and watchful, for our adversary, the devil, goeth about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. But resist, ye, strong in faith.” Take this to heart, and approach this issue prayerfully, with composure, dignity, and certitude.

CMA Money at Work (?) – Regarding Clerical Illiteracy

May 23rd, 2012, Promulgated by Gen

It seems as if our CMA donations go to everything under the sun, except for making sure our priests are literate to a sufficient degree. This may sound harsh, but illiteracy (or poor reading comprehension skills) seems to be the only logical explanation for the following:

Many of you will note that the Blessed Sacrament is still in the church-proper of St. Thomas the Apostle in Irondequoit. Canon Law is very clear about the necessity of its presence and the ability of the laity to make holy hours and the like:

Can. 934 §1 The blessed Eucharist:

1° must be reserved in the cathedral church or its equivalent, in every parish church (this means “each and every one,” not “whichever ones please the administation”), and in the church or oratory attached to the house of a religious institute or society of apostolic life.

§2 In sacred places where the blessed Eucharist is reserved there must always be someone who is responsible for it, and as far as possible a priest is to celebrate Mass there at least twice a month. (Seeing as how Fr. Tanck stated a while ago that the problem was not necessarily a priest shortage, this seems like it should be a non-issue, especially when I guarantee that any of us could find priests willing to help at St. Thomas to offer the required two Masses.)

These particular excerpts from Canon Law are explicit, and cannot be denied if one has any grasp of reality or rhetoric. It seems as if the administration of Blessed Kateri “parish” are in touch with neither, seeing as how, and I quote:

“After consulting with the Chancellor of the Diocese of Rochester, it would seem that the canon you refer to encouraging that two Masses a month be celebrated in churches where the Eucharist is reserved does not bear the weight of obligation, and that the Blessed Sacrament does not have to be reserved in a church for it to be considered open and accessible for worship by the faithful.”

They have no legitimate reason to keep St. Thomas locked for the vast majority of the time, allowing Our Lord to sit solitary in the shadows, living his Agony in Gethsemane every day from dawn till dusk. Canon Law forbids it. Human decency forbids it. Pray for the people of St. Thomas, that their sufferings might be united with those of Christ the King, whose glorious and royal title is so horribly profaned on such a regular basis.

Fr. Tanck Moves Against St. Thomas

January 27th, 2012, Promulgated by Gen

Surgite, eamus. Ecce qui me tradet, prope est.

With his words in this past weekend’s bulletin from Bl. Kateri Tekakwitha Parish, Fr. Tanck twisted the dagger he has already so skillfully plunged into the heart of every St. Thomas parishioner.

“In our planning, however, we still need to do more to contain our costs. Among the costs we presently carry are the maintenance, care and insurance coverage of several buildings that we do not use to their full potential because we are able to accommodate our offices, ministries, programs and divine worship in fewer facilities. Our developing Strategic Plan calls for us to divest ourselves of unneeded buildings and real estate; we will soon begin the process of doing so.
I am sure raising these concerns will open old wounds among some of our parishioners, but I hope all will see this as positive proof that we are moving forward as a new unified parish community and good steward of our resources.”

It’s funny how the same fellow who rebuked parishioners for being attached to a “building” can now seize upon the convenience of that notion in order to take further steps towards the dismemberment of the Faith in Irondequoit. Buildings which aren’t used are a burden on the “parish”‘s finances? No kidding, Father. Here’s a dynamic idea: use the buildings, rather than let them sit there leaking and gathering dust. When you have a worship space that accommodates around 1,000 people, it does not make sense to forsake it for whatever mindless reason Fr. Tanck has contrived.

I am making no effort to hide my vitriol for this man’s actions, for they speak of the prevailing passive-aggressive contempt the Diocese has for anyone or anything that dares to reflect a global Catholicism, rooted in Tradition more sacred than any of these “administrators” can imagine. Whether or not they care to admit it or not, these men who are as so many lords in their castles are soon to be shown to be as so many jesters in the court of the next bishop who shall reign here. Error has no rights, and there are few errors so egregious as the mistreatment of devout and charitable parishioners whose only desire is to praise God without the malicious intervention of men such as this. There is no excuse for the lack of pastoral sensitivity seen in this situation. “I am sure raising these concerns will open old wounds among some of our parishioners.” Are you, Father? You seem to be acting like a pediatrician who looks gleefully at his frightened and hesitant patient, and then says to her, “I’m going to give you a shot. It’ll probably hurt a lot, and you might cry and feel rotten, but it’s what you need.”

What adds a particular awareness of Fr. Tanck’s demeanor in this matter is the reference in the financial committee minutes to turning off the water, heat, etc. at St. Thomas.

“Andrew suggested that all of the following buildings (STA church, SS church, STA house, STA parish center) be ‘mothballed’. This would include turning off all utilities and placing antifreeze in pipes. This will save money on utilities. (This is similar to SMM school process. The school was “mothballed” until a buyer was found.)”

Ah, well, thank God we’ll be able to save some money by making parishioners sit in a cold dark church to offer their Rosaries. (Sorry, I made a mistake: “The daily recitation of the Rosary at STA could be moved to the Adoration Chapel.” Isn’t that generous, folks?) And, mercy of mercies, “Only one Mass a year is needed at the churches to ensure tax-exempt status.”

Now let’s read that for what it is. 1. Get the people out of St. Thomas itself. Fr. Tanck seems to favor an “out of sight, out of mind” approach to this matter. 2. The properties will be easier to sell. Note the sanctimonious tone through all of these quotes – I can practically see the “it’s for your own good” after every single one. 3. We’ll allow a Mass or two per year, not for the salvation of souls, but for the sanctification of our coffers. We’re still tax-free, you know!

I would offer more commentary, but I don’t think that’s necessary. Fr. Tanck and the Finance Committee have both spoken more through their actions than I could ever interpret here.

You can read the Bulletin here, and the Financial Committee minutes here.

Irondequoit Easter Attendance 2011 vs. 2010

April 28th, 2011, Promulgated by Dr. K

We have written here before about lower attendance in the new Irondequoit parish (Blessed Kateri) since Masses were eliminated by Fr. Tanck at St. Thomas the Apostle and St. Salome churches. As of March 14th, attendance was averaging about 705 less this year than in 2010 when all five Irondequout Pastoral Planning Group churches will open. In this article, we will take a look at the Easter attendance totals for the five Irondequoit parishes in 2010 and compare these numbers with the 2011 attendance figure for the unified Blessed Kateri parish comprised of three remaining churches.

From the Blessed Kateri bulletin:

2010 parish-by-parish on Easter

Christ the King: 2,048
St. Margaret Mary: 1,291
St. Cecilia: 1,195
St. Thomas the Apostle: 804
St. Salome: 352

2010 Easter total: 5,690

2011 Easter total: 4,104

Difference 2010/2011: 1,586 less people this Easter

Isn’t it about time to “reopen” St. Thomas the Apostle church, Fr. Tanck?

It Doesn’t Take a Rocket Scientist

April 25th, 2011, Promulgated by Dr. K

Here is a view of  the standing room overcrowding at yesterday’s Easter Mass at St. Margaret Mary church in Irondequoit:

The image is further proof of why St. Thomas the Apostle must remain open and be utilized by the Irondequout parish. Blessed Kateri is going to lose all three of its parochial vicars come June (they will drop from four active priests down to one if no replacements are assigned). Fewer priests plus fewer Masses equals greater overcrowding. That is unless Fr. Tanck finally realizes that it is necessary to make use of the largest church building in Irondequoit; the 1,000 seat St. Thomas the Apostle church. As of today the smaller St. Margaret Mary, Christ the King, and (much smaller) St. Cecilia churches are being used by Blessed Kateri. This configuration will not work going into the future.

Must families be forced to stand throughout the Mass because of this priest’s stubbornness?

How About a Little Compassion?

April 14th, 2011, Promulgated by Dr. K

Blessed Kateri has released the liturgical schedule for the 2011 Easter Triduum. As was the case on Christmas, the 1,000 seat St. Thomas the Apostle church will once again not be utilized by the parish.

Blessed Kateri’s attendance continues to average 400 less people than last year, when St. Thomas and St. Salome were still used for Masses.

Update: A reader points out that Blessed Kateri regularly offers 10 Masses per weekend, yet they will only offer 7 for one of the most attended days of the Church year. There is room for at least one Mass at St. Thomas.

Let’s build a parish in Irondequoit

March 26th, 2011, Promulgated by Monk

After demolishing five parishes in Irondequoit, Fr. Tanck wants to build a new one. He destroyed parish communities and relationships that took decades to build. How insulting to the Catholic community of Irondequoit! “Join the construction crew.” Ya right.

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How is Blessed Kateri Parish Doing?

March 14th, 2011, Promulgated by Dr. K

Last fall the five Irondequoit parishes of Christ the King, St. Salome, St. Thomas the Apostle, St. Margaret Mary, and St. Cecilia were merged by Bishop Clark into a single canonical parish comprising three churches: Christ the King, St. Margaret Mary, and St. Cecilia. I thought it might be interesting to see how well this new Irondequout community of Blessed Kateri Tekakwitha has performed since Fr. Tanck eliminated all Masses at two of the churches in the parish. In order to discover the answer, I compiled the attendance figures so far this year for Blessed Kateri and compared these figures to those from the same period of time last year. No surprise; Blessed Kateri parish has lost a number of weekend Mass attendees.

Here is a chart comparing early 2010 to early 2011:

Note: Two weeks of data are missing for St. Margaret Mary in 2010 and one week of data for St. Cecilia in 2011. These weeks were not included in the final calculation. The Masses on Jan 2/3 were not included because they appear to be outliers due to significantly lower Mass attendance compared to the other weeks.

Based upon the available data, Blessed Kateri averaged 3,426 people per weekend in 2010. In 2011, after Masses were eliminated at St. Thomas and St. Salome, the parish has averaged 2,720 people per weekend. The difference from 2010 to 2011 is a decline of 705 weekend Mass attendees in Irondequoit!  This 21% decline is a significant drop in attendance which should not be ignored by Blessed Kateri, the diocese, or the Vatican.

It is worth pointing out that the combined average attendance for the “closed” churches (STA and SS) last year was 777 people. Unless the remaining churches (CTK, SMM, SC) experienced sizable declines despite remaining open, it is reasonable to conclude that most of the 705 lost attendees would have come from St. Thomas and St. Salome churches. What this means is that at worst 91% of the parishioners of St. Thomas and St. Salome have avoided the new Irondequout parish. That is a putrid retention rate of 9%. Now, the actual percentage is probably not that high, but the number of lost STA/SS parishioners is likely north of 70%. This is a far cry from the 2010 IPPG projection that the new parish would lose 20% of St. Thomas and St. Salome parishioners while retaining 80%. In fact, what was actually occurred in Irondequoit is the opposite!

The people of St. Thomas the Apostle predicted this outcome which, for whatever reason, was so difficult for the Irondequout planning group to foresee. Below is a passage from the St. Thomas addendum to the IPPG plan which accurately predicted a 70%+ loss in STA parishioners:

The solution to this problem is clear in my opinion; Masses should once again be offered at St. Thomas the Apostle and, if possible, at St. Salome. As has been stated countless times on this site, STA can financially support itself. They also have ample parking, excellent facilities, and enough dedicated parishioners to keep their church open and vibrant for many years to come. The only Sunday obligation Mass offered at St. Thomas since the “closing” Mass last fall was the very well attended K of C Pro-Life Mass, which was attended by at least 600 people. If this diocese cares about souls, they will demand that Mass be offered once again at these churches.

The “Catholic Taliban”

March 7th, 2011, Promulgated by Dr. K

Here is a snippet sent in to us by a reader from Sunday’s homily delivered by Blessed Kateri’s pastor, Fr. Norm Tanck. In this clip, Father speaks about the “Catholic Taliban” and Catholic pharisees, no doubt directing his comments at those who wish to see the Church’s liturgical norms and her teachings respected and observed. He also makes a brief comment about those who provide possible reasons for the priestly vocations shortage.


Please keep the people of  Blessed Kateri, especially those from St. Thomas, in your prayers. I know I wouldn’t enjoy such regular chastisements from my pastor for desiring fidelity to the Holy Catholic Church.

Let’s Quote Sr. Joan Chittister

March 1st, 2011, Promulgated by Dr. K

From Fr. Tanck:

The passage above is not one of her dissenting comments, but surely there are more appropriate persons to quote when it comes to Catholic theology than a person who supports the ordination of women contrary to the definitive teaching of the Church? Sr. Chittister is also involved with the dissenting “Call to Action” conference and is a writer for the progressive National Catholic Reporter.

What May Happen Next In Irondequoit

February 26th, 2011, Promulgated by Dr. K

The following is my prediction of the blueprint that Fr. Tanck and co. will follow in Irondequoit as a result of the recent announcement that the parish is in financial trouble:

1. It is highly unlikely that Blessed Kateri parish will be able to eliminate the deficit, especially the one caused by the CMA tax.
2. In order to eliminate this deficit, Fr. Tanck will propose cost-cutting measures to make the parish financially viable. As part of these measures, Fr. Tanck will propose eliminating unused or underused facilities in the parish. This will include the St. Thomas and St. Salome campuses. How convenient that would be since he eliminated all Masses there, making these churches underutilized.
3. Fr. Tanck, in collaboration with hand-selected lay persons, will make a recommendation to the bishop that the STA and SS properties be sold in order to pay off the debt caused by the other churches in the parish. He will throw out the usual fluff, that we are all in this together as one parish, that we should all work together for the survival of Catholicism in Irondequoit, and that we can’t be paying to operate facilities we don’t need (again, it was his own doing that St. Thomas is not being used right now when it can and should be).
4. Bishop Clark will support the decision by deferring to the recommendation of Fr. Tanck and his hand-selected lay persons.

In order to preempt this likely progression of events, it is my opinion that parishioners of St. Thomas should recommend that STA be used in place of one of the other costly churches if the financial burden is as serious as it sounds. We knew all along that St. Margaret Mary and St. Cecilia were not financially viable.

Also do not forget that costly expansion is still required at St. Cecilia. STA is ready to accommodate extra Catholics without any expansion. STA and SS should not be sold in order to (temporarily) bail out two debt-ridden churches. We’ll be right back where we are now in a few years, and the resentment this would cause will lead to even further departures and less collection income.


February 12th, 2011, Promulgated by Dr. K

From the Holy Name of Jesus bulletin:

How come St. Thomas the Apostle wasn’t afforded the same opportunity by Bishop Clark?  STA is financially stable, and the new Irondequoit parish has more than enough priests to provide coverage for one to three Masses at STA. St. Thomas also drew about 150 more people than Holy Name. So… why not?

Christmas at St. Thomas the Apostle

December 29th, 2010, Promulgated by Monk

As Irondequoit Catholics were encouraged not to attend Christmas vigil Masses this year because of overcrowding concerns at their remaining worship sites, St. Thomas the Apostle Church, the largest church in the diocese was left empty. How sad, that Jesus was left to be alone in the tabernacle of His beautiful house. Loyal parishioners however decorated the Church for Christmas to honor the baby Jesus on His birthday. This once vibrant orthodox parish, filled to capacity on oh so many Christmas’s pasts, filled with the sounds of joyous Christmas carols, was silently empty this Christmas!

St. Thomas the Apostle - Christmas 2010

St. Thomas the Apostle - Christmas 2010

The three wise men find baby Jesus at St. Thomas the Apostle

….A reminder that the sacristy doors of St. Thomas Church are open for visits Monday thru Friday from 8:15 am to 6:45 pm. The rosary and other prayers are said Monday thru Friday at 8:15 am and 6:00 pm and Saturday 8:45 am and Sunday 6:00 pm.

It’s Not Dialogue When Only One Side Speaks

December 6th, 2010, Promulgated by Dr. K

Fr. Tanck poses once more with the Sikh reporter who cried foul (Source: Catholic Courier)

More interfaith gobbly-gook with yet another attack from the Sikh reporter against the people of St. Thomas:

“Yet when the television cameraman was asked by some parishioners to leave the sanctuary [What was he doing in the sanctuary in the first place? It seems disruptive and wholly inappropriate for a Sikh man to be filming within the holy of holies during the Mass] of an Irondequoit Catholic church in May — even though he said a staff member had given his station permission to film a Mass — Rakieten said he was stunned by the negative reaction the turban generated. As he left the sanctuary, he and the reporter accompanying him were confronted by several people who made negative comments about Rakieten’s turban.

“I was really upset,” Rakieten said. “Coming from a religious family, I’ve been to a mosque, a synagogue, and I’ve been to a Catholic church and a Christian church. I’ve never felt that type of hatred before.[A gross exaggeration since in the article he mentions that he has been called “Bin Laden” in the past]

In all our efforts to interfaith dialogue, do we ever actually dialogue? We Catholics are constantly being instructed about other faiths and chastised for our supposed insensitivity toward them, but when do we ever teach other faiths about our beliefs, traditions, and customs? If one reads the Catholic Courier article from which the above paragraphs come (click here to do so), there is a clear explanation about the significance of the turban to Sikh men. All well and good. However, where is the explanation about the significance of men uncovering their heads when they enter a church in our Roman Catholic tradition? There is none. Perhaps if true dialogue were occurring, this reporter would realize that he is the one who was at fault for disrespecting our traditions, not the Roman Catholic faithful who were offended by his disrespect toward the Catholic sanctuary and the Mass. Instead of Bishop Clark and Fr. Tanck apologizing on behalf of Catholics, the Sikh reporter should apologize for his disrespectful display.

Dialogue is a two-way street, otherwise all you have is a monologue.

The Irondequoit Priests (A Math Lesson)

December 5th, 2010, Promulgated by Dr. K

What logically should be:

[Step 1] 4 active priests X 3 weekend Masses for priest per Bishop Clark’s regulations = 12 potential weekend Masses.

[Step 2] 12 potential weekend Masses + 3 “retired” priests who can reasonably be expected to contribute 1 weekend Mass per week = 15 potential weekend Masses.

What actually is:

(3 churches X 3 Masses a piece ) + Christ the King “family” Mass = 10 total Masses


15 potential – 10 actual = 5 weekend Masses that could be offered which are not being offered

St. Thomas the Apostle and St. Salome churches were closed by Fr. Tanck and the diocese largely due to a shortage of priests. With 4 active and 3 retired priests serving Irondequoit only offering 10 weekend Masses when 15 are reasonably possible raises serious questions about whether there is truly a priest shortage in Irondequoit. I think it’s clear that there is no real priest shortage. If the so-called shortage of priests was a driving force for closing these churches, shouldn’t they remain open with this configuration of priests being in place? Instead of having frequent concelebrated Masses in the merged Irondequout parish and having priests sit on their duffs, let’s restore weekend Masses at St. Thomas the Apostle and use our available priests efficiently.

Also, don’t forget that Fr. Peter Abas could have been another priest offering three weekend Masses in Irondequoit if the diocese hadn’t driven him back to Borneo with their mistreatment by using him as a pinch-hitter in random parishes.

Not What I Would Consider Rolling Out the Welcome Mat

November 26th, 2010, Promulgated by Dr. K

A St. Thomas the Apostle parishioner shares the story of their first week worshiping away from home following the “closing Mass” a week prior. This past weekend, a large number of STA parishioners chose to worship at Christ the King in order to give that community a shot (see, the orthodox aren’t closed-minded and living in a cave like some wish to think). Here is their experience:

“The 10 AM Mass at CTK was pretty crowded today.  I got there about 9:45 and the parking lot and the spots in front of the church were pretty much taken.  People stood in the back during Mass.” [Remember that the ample St. Thomas the Apostle church, which seats 1,000, was not chosen by Fr. Tanck and the planning committee. Now situations such as this will prove problematic in the remaining, smaller churches. Then again, perhaps they are expecting their bouncy 5 PM Mass to relieve the overcrowding. The only Mass at STA was taken away so that there can be this extra Mass at Christ the King]

“The music director mentioned that the young children will be able to participate (during designated songs) with rhythm instruments that were passed out before Mass. …  The instruments I saw reminded me of baby rattles.  She said they could be used with the beat of the music.  (I wonder how many little children are musically gifted, and I wonder how many little ones won’t end up putting some of the instruments in their mouths. [A good concern with regard to the spread of germs and choking hazard for younger children])  They are to be put into an adult’s pocket after completion of the song, and then returned to a basket after Mass!”

“Fr. Tanck processed up the aisle and before making the Sign of the Cross, said there were new people in the pews and for everyone to turn around and greet each other.  Of course, the moments of greeting felt excruciatingly long and when Father started into the Mass, you could hardly hear him (people were still talking).” [While Mass at STA was reverent and focused on God, the first journey for many of these people to CTK revealed a more man-focused community. It’s also disappointing to hear that the people do not realize to keep quiet once the Mass has begun]

“We saw no signs of any STA traditions being incorporated into the Mass.  (Back in August Fr. Tanck mentioned that an STA style potluck dinner might occasionally follow the new 5 PM Sunday Mass.  I wonder if this is the only “tradition” they thought worthy of incorporating.  Do you think Fr. Tanck would like to borrow the STA torches that were used in the recent Rosary for Vocations and Benediction?  Somehow, I think most folks would think the torches out of place at CTK.” [This is a complete lie from Fr. Tanck. They had no intention at all to incorporate traditions from St. Thomas. Rather, the whole thrust behind the merger was to force conformity upon the STA parishioners, and to press these people to embrace the “Spirit of Vatican II.” Don’t believe this is their intention? Then how come the only STA parishioners on the bloated parish staff is relegated to the duty of “business manager”? All the liturgical/pastoral positions were given to members of the other four parishes.]

“just before the young children left during the Liturgy of the Word, Fr. Tanck had the members of the congregation stretch out their hands to participate in the blessing.” [Seems inappropriate, since lay people may not confer blessings within the Mass. The Congregation for Divine Worship has addressed this issue]

“The whole Mass felt like a stage production.  I know that different people like different styles, but this Mass paled in comparison to the “last” Mass at STA.  Maybe this “upbeat” music has its place (e.g. a school concert in an auditorium), but whatever happened to elevating our minds and hearts to another place–the realm of God?  Songs like Panis Angelicus and Ave Maria seem to help me.” [The churches which embrace the Spirit of Vatican II have little in common with those who embrace Catholic tradition]

And the most troubling of all…

Fr. Trovato concelebrated the Mass with Fr. Tanck.  Fr. Rice was saying the 9:30 Mass–not somewhere else in the new BKT parish, but instead at St. Andrews!  Guess there is a surplus of priests in Irondequoit!  I can’t believe we aren’t allowed even one Sunday Mass at STA!” [For all the hooey about a priest shortage in Irondequoit, there seem to be an awful lot of concelebrated Masses lately (something which should be rare anyway). So let’s see… no priest shortage, and no financial difficulties at St. Thomas. Why again were they closed?]

Even our protestant neighbors have accommodation…..

November 24th, 2010, Promulgated by Monk

for their traditional-minded members. But Fr. Tanck has eliminated traditional worship at St. Thomas the Apostle and the Irondequoit Catholic community. We now must all be subjected to his gong show style of worship.

Fr. Tanck’s Legacy…..

November 21st, 2010, Promulgated by Monk

St. Thomas the Apostle Parish - Sunday morning Nov 21, 2010

Bang the Drum Slowly

November 19th, 2010, Promulgated by Dr. K

More fun at Christ the King:

Perhaps I am misunderstanding: Is the pastor asking the children in the congregation to pick up a rhythm instrument as the enter church and bring it to their pew so they can strike/shake/rattle it during the liturgy?

Christ the King is going to be a very different experience for the people of St. Thomas. Pressure is going to be placed upon the STA and St. Salome parishioners to adapt to CTK’s innovative liturgies, and little to no effort will come from CTK to adapt to these newcomers and make them feel welcome. Similar pressure will be applied to hold hands for the Lord’s Prayer and to no longer kneel for Communion.

In the words of the Borg: “You will be assimilated… resistance is futile.”

A Very Conservative Estimate

November 19th, 2010, Promulgated by Dr. K

From the Christ the King/St. Thomas/St. Salome bulletin:

“800+” is ambiguous. Fr. Tanck in the bulletin also refers to the attendance as “a little over 800.” Was it too hard to count and print the actual attendance numbers for St. Thomas like the leaders do for Christ the King? The number of people at St. Thomas “closing” Mass was easily around 1,000. The 1,000 capacity church was full and people were standing along the wall because there were no pews available. To make what appears to be a false claim that attendance was “a little over 800” is to downplay the excellent turnout so that it sounds less impressive than it really was.