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March for Life – With Our Bishop!

January 26th, 2015, Promulgated by Diane Harris

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27 Responses to “March for Life – With Our Bishop!”

  1. avatar gaudium says:

    WHAT A SHEPHERD!

  2. avatar raymondfrice says:

    gaudium: WHAT A SHEPHERD!

    What sheep !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  3. avatar Nerina says:

    God bless our Bishop! And may Fr. McBrien rest in peace.

  4. avatar annonymouse says:

    Not sure what McBrien has to do with the Rochester contingent at the M4L. God, thank you for the gift of Bishop Matano – unabashedly pro-life. What a witness!

    But as to Father McBrien, I will pray for his soul – for he led untold numbers of Catholics astray, letting them by his column and books think it’s fine or even meritorious to criticize the Church and her leadership, especially SAINT Pope John Paul II. And we here in Rochester had to endure his weekly protests in his Courier column, thank you to Bishop Emeritus.

    His problem was this – rather than preach conversion to the Faith of Christ, the CHURCH of Christ, he made it his life’s work to advance the conversion of that Church to his own hubristic paradigms. It is my impression of McBrien that he was a nasty old curmudgeon for most of his life, very unhappy as best as I can tell, lacking the joyful hope we are called to have while waiting for the coming of the Savior. Why Notre Dame University, the Diocese of Hartford, or the many Catholic weeklies who published him even gave him the time of day is beyond me. Why he was the darling of the secular media, on the other hand, is not difficult to fathom.

    Yes, let us pray for him. Let us pray that Our Lord’s mercy is ample enough to look past the damage this man did to the Church in America, past the souls who were lost. Rest in Peace, Father.

  5. avatar Diane Harris says:

    Actually, I wasn’t asking if we should pray for McBrien, although some noble intentions are expressed to do so, but was wondering (given the attitudes McBrien exhibited) if he would actually want our prayers. Unless I read everything he wrote I can’t answer the question, and maybe the answer isn’t even in his writings. What I really like about Bishop Matano is his unabashed, humble way of asking for us to pray for him. What a contrast in personalities and teaching styles. That is the only (admittedly tenuous) link in mentioning McBrien here. I think it was Bishop Cunningham who pulled the McBrien column out of the Courier, but happily continued to be absent under Bishop Matano. What kind of shepherd would want his flock exposed to the likes of McBrien’s writings anyway?

  6. avatar raymondfrice says:

    I do believe that one of my comments on the Mc Brien situation was deleted by someone.

  7. avatar annonymouse says:

    Agree, Diane. Bishop Matano humbly recognizes that he needs our prayers. I probably oughtn’t judge, and I haven’t read all his writings either (nor will I ever), but I don’t think McBrien had a humble cell in his body. He smugly sat in judgment of the faithful men charged with leading our Church and safeguarding the deposit of faith, through very scary times. Oh the irony if St. John Paul II were at the heavenly gates to greet him!

  8. avatar raymondfrice says:

    I have read all of Father McBrien’s books and I read his “Biography of the Saints” at least two and a half times. His “History of the Popes” was excellent; exemplary for it’s historical documentation and thorough scholarship. Some may disagree but there is an old saying in Rome that today’s heretics will be tomorrow’s council fathers. Father was an eminent scholar and theologian.

    I will miss Father McBrien and will remember him once in a while in my prayers. Reading his books has made me more forgiving of many of the Church Hierarchy and those who unreservedly support them. He taught me how really human the Catholic Church can be.

  9. avatar christian says:

    I am happy to hear that Bishop Matano went along on the March for Life and also that so many people from the Rochester Diocese went on the March for Life.

    I know what point you are making Diane, but I pray for people whether they request it or not. I pray that God has mercy on the soul of Fr. Richard McBrien. And may God have mercy on all of our souls when we have passed from this life.

  10. avatar militia says:

    Arius had his fans too.

  11. avatar Richard Thomas says:

    Raymond,

    Go to today’s vortex on Church Militant TV. Michael Vorheis sums it up nicely. And Vorheis was actually attending Notre Dame while Mc Brien was there.

  12. avatar raymondfrice says:

    Richard Thomas :

    Ah, what courage Michael has to take on the dead who can’t respond and claims he’s waiting for the next one to go so he can slam him too! As far as I can see, having briefly met him, Michael Voris is an oral “tabloid” who seizes on opportunities to shine his own star. I tend to put him in the same class with Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson who have no idea on how to build but only know how to tear down and try to appear as heroes in the process!!

    PS: Why did Michael wait until now to reveal the terrible revelation of Mc Brien’s peccadilloes? Did he cooperate in keeping an immoral situation under covers??

  13. avatar Richard Thomas says:

    So did St. John when describing Judas

    And many people knew of this alleged woman. Someone told it to me in the early 1990’s

  14. avatar militia says:

    Raymond, why don’t you ask Michael? why ask us?

    I certainly wish such things had been revealed earlier (maybe they were and I just missed them?) Or perhaps such information has finally been documented in the obituary, or final services? Or maybe Michael and others have been pursuing the obligation to turn it over to the Church? When the Church fails to act, then in some situations there might be public recourse.

    If McBrien were an ordinary person in the pew, there could be criticism of now revealing his serious sins (not “peccadilloes! wink, wink) after death. However, with his rejected book on Catholicism as proof, and with his outrageous columns as evidence, and the burden his soul must carry of having misdirected so many students and others, it may well be appropriate to reveal his miserable trail of leading souls astray, as a necessary warning. Why there might even be people who believe what McBrien taught and who need to be corrected; there might even be people on Catholic blogs who would defend him!

  15. avatar annonymouse says:

    Raymond – with no regard to Mr. Voris’ allegations, I must say that “no idea on how to build but only know how to tear down” sums up the work of Father McBrien rather well. Which is why he was so popular with the secular media – he was a reliable critic of the heirarchy at every turn.

  16. avatar raymondfrice says:

    “And many people knew of this alleged woman.” Someone told it to me in the early 1990?s.” Your point?? Should we gather stones at this point??? Maybe they were just like Mary of Magdala and Jesus??

    “When the Church fails to act, then in some situations there might be public recourse.”
    Have you heard of the sex abuse crisis perpetrated by the clergy??

    “And many people knew of this alleged woman.Someone told it to me in the early 1990?s”

    So did you accept it as fact with proof or just listen to it as gossip and are now passing it on??

    “Or maybe Michael and others have been pursuing the obligation to turn it over to the Church? ”
    “Why there might even be people who believe what McBrien taught and who need to be corrected; there might even be people on Catholic blogs who would defend him!”
    Or perhaps such information has finally been documented in the obituary, or final services? ”

    She was refereed to as a friend who took him to all his chemotherapy appointments and assisted him in his wheelchair. If she helped him perform some biological functions, I don’t think they,given their age and his infirmity , were overcome with erotic attraction. They also said she was a close friend and neighbor who lived next door to him in his home town
    Isn’t there a quote somewhere about loving your neighbor?? Aside from this case isn’t it about time to take dear Pope Francis’s lead and time to stop focusing on people’s genital activities and look at other things they may be doing?? We used to tell people in the old days to get their minds out of the gutter!!

    Remember the British Motto, ” Honi soit qui mal y pense??

    “Why there might even be people who believe what McBrien taught and who need to be corrected; there might even be people on Catholic blogs who would defend him!”
    lol lol lol Glad you noticed!! Have you read any of his BOOKS or have you been filled up with stuff sensationalized by the media or put in a Readers Digest type article ??

    “Which is why he was so popular with the secular media – he was a reliable critic of the hierarchy at every turn.” Yes he sure was reliable and could be depended upon !!Please read Father Mc Briens”s article on his seminary classmate, Father John Geogan and the clergy involved.www.natcath.org/crisis/031502j.htm

    Final thought! FROM A COURAGE STANDPOINT,IT TAKES NO GUTS TO CONDEMN A DEAD PERSON!!!

  17. avatar militia says:

    Where did you find a reference to wheelchair and chemotherapy?

  18. avatar raymondfrice says:

    “Where did you find a reference to wheelchair and chemotherapy?”

    On the Internet.

  19. avatar militia says:

    Please give us a link so we can all be so informed, and you can contribute to protecting Father McBrien’s reputation.

  20. avatar raymondfrice says:

    militia: “you can contribute to protecting Father McBrien’s reputation.”

    I didn’t know it needed protection!!

    I have heard something like this before ” let me know where you find the child so that I might come and worship him too!!!

    So I am supposed to let the fox know where the innocent rabbit is ?

    You obviously take me for a fool. But just in case you might have an open and compassionate heart for the dead, I will let you know “some” of the references.

    PS: I think Father was wrong about Jesus’s sinning but then again, right now he knows if he was right or wrong. He will probably be great friends in heaven with Galileo, and Archbishop LeFevre, Martin Luther and his wife and a whole bunch of others that are learning the ultimate truths!!! And as Edith Ann used to say” and that’s the whole truth!!”

    ncronline.org/blogs/essays…/resuming-column
    ww.legacy.com/link.asp?i=ls000173977350

    PS: You also might want to check out where she sued a diocese and lost. I will let you find that on your own. It will keep you out of your wife’s way for a while.

  21. avatar Richard Thomas says:

    So Ray, I wonder if you believe that almost no one goes to hell and we can be confident that almost all will be saved.

  22. avatar raymondfrice says:

    “So Ray, I wonder if you believe that almost no one goes to hell and we can be confident that almost all will be saved.”

    I am not sure so I leave it up to God to decide. After all. I’m not sure what God sees and judges and I don’t see and consequently don’t judge.!! God might even say to me ” Ray, mind your own business and worry about your own sorry a–!!

    PS: Are you avoiding my question to you about passing on gossip???????????????????????

  23. avatar raymondfrice says:

    Richard Thomas:

    Can you tell me who is in Hell?? You can tell who are those in heaven (saints) but what about the others? What about those who left Limbo?? Are they now aliens waiting at the Gate?? Which Gate??

    Final thought: If Catholics are supposed to love their enemies, when was the last time you had a Mass said for Adolph Hitler??

  24. avatar Diane Harris says:

    1 John 5:16

    “If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that.”

  25. avatar raymondfrice says:

    No more comments from me. I was taught that personal attacks on the dead were neither academic, respectful of a human being, probably not very Christian, nor indications of being a class act!! I guess not everybody understood my intentions.

    Let’s judge someone on what they wrote rather than who they had dinner with.

  26. avatar Richard Thomas says:

    Ray,

    You seem somewhat angry and I am sorry.

    But I am only following the example of St. John who described Judas as a thief and a liar, after he hung himself.

    Now the man in question was a priest. He was called to a much higher standard of conduct than the laity. He was a teacher. He was Christ’s representative. He was a shephard.

    How did he use his calling.

    He taught and promoted heresy. He poisoned the minds of countless tens of thousands of impressionable students with heresy and a hatred for the pope and the Majesterium. His book on Catholocism was condemned by the USCCB but he used it as a textbook in his classes.

    He was the darling of the Catholic media in the 1980’s and 90’s. His collum was in nearly every Catholic newspaper, exposing millions of souls to heresy.

    He never wore his collar unless he was on national television promoting his heresy, fanning the flames of dissent. And I’ll bet he used the dignity of this collar to influence the people listening to and watching him.

    Jesus’s words concerning scandal are sobering. If any of these are subject to scandal, it would be better if a millstone were hung around his neck and he was thrown into the sea. I have seen millstones. They can be a wide as 10 feet, 3 feet thick and weigh 10,000 lbs.

    Now I am not in management. I do not know the disposition of any soul. But when I heard of Fr. Mc Brien’s death, I was filled with trepedation. For I would not want to approach God’s altar with that track record. I pray for his soul but his death is very sobering.

    Now, Mc Brien’s work is still tauted by the Modernists as gospel truth. It is still being used to confuse people. Because of that, Mc Brien’s ways must be exposed…to protect countless souls that may be exposed to his writings.

    I am judging anyone but I DO KNOW what is right and what is wrong and as long as I have breath in my body, I will never cease to use my God given talents to promote what is right and to fight, condem, and refute anything, concerning Modernism, that is wrong.

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