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Pope Benedict XVI On Vatican II

February 15th, 2013, Promulgated by Dr. K

Pope Benedict XVI has made some interesting comments regarding the Second Vatican Council in recent days that are worthy of contemplation. It’s a shame that he will not continue as pope and flesh out these ideas further as part of our study of Vatican II during the Year of Faith.

First came the following in his address to the seminarians of Rome the day before he announced his resignation:

Italian: “Naturalmente, c’è un falso ottimismo e un falso pessimismo. Un falso pessimismo che dice: il tempo del cristianesimo è finito. No: comincia di nuovo! Il falso ottimismo era quello dopo il Concilio, quando i conventi chiudevano, i seminari chiudevano, e dicevano: ma … niente, va tutto bene … No! Non va tutto bene.”

English: “Naturally, there is a false optimism and a false pessimism. A false pessimism that says: Christianity’s time is over. No: it begins anew! The false optimism was that following the Council, when convents closed down, seminaries closed down, and they said: well… this is nothing, all is well… No! All is not well.”

Then Pope Benedict XVI said the following yesterday in the conclusion of his address to the clergy of Rome:

 “there was the Council of the Fathers – the true Council – but there was also the Council of the media. It was almost a Council in and of itself, and the world perceived the Council through them, through the media. So the immediately efficient Council that got thorough to the people, was that of the media, not that of the Fathers. And while the Council of the Fathers evolved within the faith, it was a Council of the faith that sought the intellectus, that sought to understand and try to understand the signs of God at that moment, that tried to meet the challenge of God in this time to find the words for today and tomorrow. So while the whole council – as I said – moved within the faith, as fides quaerens intellectum, the Council of journalists did not, naturally, take place within the world of faith but within the categories of the media of today, that is outside of the faith, with different hermeneutics. It was a hermeneutic of politics. The media saw the Council as a political struggle, a struggle for power between different currents within the Church. It was obvious that the media would take the side of whatever faction best suited their world. There were those [Bp. Clark, Rev. McBrien] who sought a decentralization of the Church, power for the bishops and then, through the Word for the “people of God”, the power of the people, the laity. There was this triple issue: the power of the Pope, then transferred to the power of the bishops and then the power of all … popular sovereignty. Naturally they saw this as the part to be approved, to promulgate, to help. This was the case for the liturgy: there was no interest in the liturgy as an act of faith, but as a something to be made understandable, similar to a community activity, something profane. And we know that there was a trend, which was also historically based, that said: “Sacredness is a pagan thing, possibly even from the Old Testament. In the New Testament the only important thing is that Christ died outside: that is, outside the gates, that is, in the secular world”. Sacredness ended up as profanity even in worship: worship is not worship but an act that brings people together, communal participation and thus participation as activity. And these translations, trivializing the idea of the Council, were virulent in the practice of implementing the liturgical reform, born in a vision of the Council outside of its own key vision of faith. And it was so, also in the matter of Scripture: Scripture is a book, historical, to treat historically and nothing else, and so on.

And we know that this Council of the media was accessible to all. So, dominant, more efficient, [The “Spirit of VII”:] this Council created many calamities, so many problems, so much misery, in reality: seminaries closed, convents closed liturgy trivialized … and the true Council has struggled to materialize, to be realized: the virtual Council was stronger than the real Council. But the real strength of the Council was present and slowly it has emerged and is becoming the real power which is also true reform, true renewal of the Church. It seems to me that 50 years after the Council, we see how this Virtual Council is breaking down, getting lost and the true Council is emerging with all its spiritual strength. And it is our task, in this Year of Faith, starting from this Year of Faith, to work so that the true Council with the power of the Holy Spirit is realized and Church is really renewed. We hope that the Lord will help us. I, retired in prayer, will always be with you, and together we will move ahead with the Lord in certainty. The Lord is victorious.

Thank you.”

You have so much left to teach us, Pope Benedict XVI. You will be missed!

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3 Responses to “Pope Benedict XVI On Vatican II”

  1. avatar annonymouse says:

    Excellent, Papa! We are still hearing so much from the “Council of the Media.”

    Praise God, let the true Council emerge! And let us here, rather than reject everything we hear of “Vatican II,” spend the time in reading its documents and prayer and reflection so that the true Council may imbue our Church and our lives.

  2. avatar Dominick Anthony Zarcone says:

    Thank you, Dr. K, for these excerpts.

    Mi piaciuto leggere l’italiano. Grazie.

    It warms our hearts and sharpens our minds
    to hear and to read analysis which reflects spiritual
    discernment and apostolic boldness.

    How refreshing and inspiring
    to witness such necessary and
    desperately needed leadership.

    May God be pleased to raise up such men
    to replace Benedict in Rome and Clark in

  3. avatar Thinkling says:

    This talk was simply stunning. Amazing that this was mostly off the cuff.

    Both tumors wings of the Hermeneutics of Rupture crowd have been served. Let’s see if they take notice.

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