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Personal Prelature of the SSPX

September 14th, 2011, Promulgated by Gen

The top officials of the Society of St. Pius X had a meeting with Vatican officials today, and were presented with a very generous offer: the SSPX, should they accept “fundamental doctrines,” would be able to be established as a personal prelature. This would bring back into the fold a great number of priests and faithful whose good work can now be coupled with the efforts of the entire Church. (The SSPX has a total of about 1,000,000 adherents.)

 

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22 Responses to “Personal Prelature of the SSPX”

  1. avatar Kevin says:

    I so pray for this. They can do so much more change for good within the Church instead of outside the Church.

  2. avatar Richard Thomas says:

    We need a large group of traditional Catholics that stand for everything the liberal priests and lay people have been silent about.

  3. avatar Abaccio says:

    Chances are, in order for this to work effectively, it will need to be placed within the structure of an ordinariate system, since Bishops are not *required* to accept personal prelatures into their Dioceses.

  4. avatar Kevin says:

    Can someone explain the difference if the SSPX were to be a personal prelature versus an ordinariate versus something else? Looking around online isn’t helping too much.

  5. avatar Hopefull says:

    I thought that Opus Dei was the only personal prelature; that the Anglicans are/will be an ordinariate like the military. But I too am confused and would appreciate more clarification.

  6. avatar Choir says:

    Try this website for a difference between the ordinariate and prelature. http://areluctantsinner.blogspot.com/2011/01/what-are-differences-between-personal.html

    I found the mispronunciation of both prelature and prelates on the video very annoying. The person is a prel-ate (prel-it); and not a pre-late. The mispronunciation of the Lefebrvist group was like “nails on a blackboard”.

  7. avatar Raymond F. Rice says:

    I think that the Vatican should be very careful letting these people back into the Roman Catholic church. First of all, they are currently heretical because they do not accept the primacy of the pope and consequently really have no rights in this because error (heresy) has no rights. Secondly, because they have rejected the papacy and the pope, they are also rejecting Christ who is represented by the pope. Do we really need these unstable and heretical people in our church right now??? I think not!!!

  8. avatar Ben Anderson says:

    Raymond,
    Do “these people” currently deny the primacy of the pope? I’m not sure they do. If that were an issue, I’m sure they won’t be allowed back into the fold without changing their stance.

  9. avatar BGP says:

    Um, well actually, generally speaking ‘these people’ have never denied the primacy of the pope it’s rather a question of living that belief out (obedience). The actual situation is rather complicated, we should always hope for reconciliation.

  10. avatar Choir says:

    Mr. Rice – Where do you get your information about “these people”? Please let us know.

  11. avatar Pietro says:

    “Do we really need these unstable and heretical people in our church right now???”

    Mr. Rice – I do not know where you get your facts from but you need to find a different source. The SSPX has not been present in this diocese for over 25 years and yet I witness heresy and unstable catholics on a daily basis. So where is that coming from?

    The fact is, people like me owe a great deal to “those people” because when I was being taught the faith after masses in the basement of a now former SSPX chapel, my peers in CCD were mostly taught how to love, love, love, love, love everything but their own church.

    I don’t see any heretic hate speech coming from Rome regarding the SSPX. To offer such ignorant commentary on “these people” is quite offensive.

  12. avatar Raymond F. Rice says:

    In May, 2011, Vatican Press Office Director, Fr. Federico Lombardi reaffirmed the March 2009 statement made by Pope Benedict XVI: “As long as the Society [of St. Pius X] does not have a canonical status in the Church, its ministers do not exercise legitimate ministries in the Church…Until the doctrinal questions are clarified, the Society has no canonical status in the Church, and its ministers…do not legitimately exercise any ministry in the Church.” [7]

    Doctrinal questions??? regarding the truth or error!! canonical status?? If the separation is minor, why all these meetings?? Why don’t they go to Rome and kiss the pope’s foot like they did years ago with Blessed Pio Nono ??

  13. avatar Pietro says:

    I’m sorry, I missed the part in Lombardi’s statement where he referred to the SSPX as heretical.

    The fact is, a significant outcome of the current discussions most likely will be that Rome, for the first time, officially recognizes the right to legitimately challenge much of the garbage that came out of VII while remaining faithful to the magisterium of the church. That is huge. Whether traditional or not, if you are faithful to the teachings of the church this is something to be celebrated. It is also something that could never and would never have happened if the SSPX had simply kissed the pope’s foot.

    Much more can be said, but I’ll save it for another day.

  14. avatar JLo says:

    Look at how many Catholic priests and even bishops and certainly religious went off the rails after Vatican II and made claims about its teachings that are not true, and look at all the destruction their tweaking of the Faith has wrought.

    A simplified basic view: SSPX went the other way and rejected the Council, refusing its teachings. The tweakers have stayed in the fold and carried on their destructive ways, enlarging the destruction as they’ve gone along their merry way, like a snowball rolling down a mountain.

    Our dear Holy Father knows both sides of this situation and is working to remedy both sides. We do nothing for Holy Mother Church when we disparage the ongoing work in Benedict XVI’s Vatican. How about we put a lid on the nasty downers and recognize the sweetness of reconciliation that the Holy Father may succeed in. Let’s pray for an outcome that will put a smile on the fact of Jesus.
    +JMJ

  15. avatar Raymond F. Rice says:

    Pietro; read about the pope excommunicating bishops from this sect when they consecrated illicit bishops. You don’t see the word heretic used here in the same way you did not see the word infallible when the pope said the Chiurcjh could not ordain women.!!Different words but same intent??

  16. avatar Raymond F. Rice says:

    Pietro: garbage of VaticanII??? The council was overseen by the Holy Spirit!!! and He guided it!!

  17. avatar CPT Tom says:

    Raymond,

    Your information kinda old…I guess you missed it, but Pope Benedict lifted those excommunications before the talks started. Nice straw man about womens ordination–the two are not even remotely equal, nor related. Nice try. An excommunication does not equate to Heretic, but the Pope declaring something as fact DOES equate to him invoking infallibility. Considering two Popes (Paul VI and Blessed John Paul II) declared this, I think the issue of women’s ordination is settled.

    As far as the Garbage of Vatican II..yes, the Holy Spirit oversaw the council itself, but, the implementation was FAR from perfect. The concilium afterwards took liberties that were never intended by the council fathers, but what’s worse their were people running around with the “Spirit of Vatican II” doing things that the Council nor the Concilium never authorized. In fact the decades following the Council has seen the Vatican issue numerous specific instructions that were meant to put an end to the “experimentation” and abuses. It’s pretty clear that those instructions didn’t exactly get followed in this Diocese. It’s not surprising considering the real failure of the “Spirit of Vatican II” was a spirit of disobedience. This is clear when you actually read the documents of the Council and consider them in light of centuries of Church Tradition instead of in a vacuum that starts in 1969.

  18. avatar Pietro says:

    Raymond,

    Once again I have to ask where you get your info about the SSPX? First of all, while the bishops were excommunicated by JPII it was not for heresy it was for disobediance. (Check your definition of heresy) This is not the same as a bishop ordaining women. One act was illicit but valid while the other is invalid and constitutes a belief in something that is against the faith. Everyone should know by now that the SSPX’s excomunications were lifted and they were done without the SSPX doing anything but requesting so. If they were heretics they would have had to renounce their heresy as a precondition. Are you still not convinced that the SSPX are not heretics?

    As far as the “garbage of VII” comment, there should be no need to qualify that statement unless you are of the belief that everything that has been done in the name of Vatican II during that last 40+ years has been good for The Church.

  19. avatar Raymond F. Rice says:

    People on this blog have asked me how and where I get my infiormation. I found this as a resource but I am very much open to other resources if you recommend some/thank you!!

    sohttp://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iuIeDbkpinXViZPCkVQ9fXB7vrVQ?docId=072c610873da4aa7be61d3993066766b

  20. avatar Raymond F. Rice says:

    Sorry if you cannot reach this source. It is catholicculture.com/ thank you

  21. avatar y2kscotty says:

    SSPX is a trouble-making group headed by illicitly-ordained bishops. They rejected the conciliar statements. I believe in reconciliation – but they had better announce their agreement and submission in heart and mind with ALL of the conciliar documents. But these SSPX guys show no public signs of being interested in that. Although reconciliation could be wonderful, the ugly past has to be replaced by a progressive future. Triumphalistic posturing and Latin masses and birettas and cappae magnae mean nothing. Rather, complete submission to the council and reconciliation with the whole church is required.

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