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Good Read

June 6th, 2011, Promulgated by Dr. K

The following link contains a very nice article. It’s long, but I highly recommend reading it through, especially those people who like to clamor about orthodox Catholics being uncharitable and Pharisees.

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9 Responses to “Good Read”

  1. Ben Anderson says:

    excellent! excellent! excellent!

  2. Thinkling says:

    I saw this a couple days ago and thought it fantastic on details but relatively short on synthesis. I would have preferred some (more) high-level discernments of the place of Pride (note the capital ‘P’) and hypocrisy.

    But to be clear, I agree 1010% (yes, one thousand ten) with the thesis. Now that this is out there, perhaps someone can come along and tie it all together to put a nail in the coffin of catholic heterodoxy (said both as a statement and as a prayer).

  3. annonymouse says:

    Excellent article.

    The issue, it seems to me, boils down to one of pride and humility. It takes a large measure of humility, of personal deference, to accept Holy Mother Church and all her teachings, and conversely, a fair bit of pride to arrogantly place one’s own opinions and beliefs above those of the Church. One might ask which “camp” Our Lady falls – and her life and fiat are to be the example to us all!

    Even more than that, it boils down to a matter of love. “Conservative” Catholics love and revere Holy Mother Church and are thankful for the gift of the Church in our lives. The one common thread among all “liberal” Catholics in this article seems to be an attitude of disdain at best and hatred at worst. Oh, the liberals will say that they love the Church and hate her leadership. Sorry, you can’t have it both ways – the Church is both the faithful and the leadership. Our magisterium is given to us by God Himself.

    To the liberals – Can you really love the Lord and serve His people with all your heart if you have nothing but contempt in your heart for the Church He gave us?

  4. Monk says:

    Many of the “liberals” described in this article would be better characterized as heretics. They even make a mockery of the term “liberal Catholic.”

  5. Bernie says:

    Thank you for this link! It was a great read.

  6. Thinkling says:

    Many of the “liberals” described in this article would be better characterized as heretics.

    I admit that the term “heretic” has a technical meaning which apparently is narrower than its common usage. The womanpriest nun who repented this year, for example, was deemed by many knowing folks (Ed Peters?) as probably not actually being a heretic.

    But with that formality out of the way, I have always pointed out that the phrase “Cafeteria Catholic” is relatively new, and that before that phrase was around they were called “Protestants”. Your word choice is considerably stronger, but I have heard e.g., Peter Kreeft say what I said, except use the word “heretics”. So you are in good company.

    But leave it to the Evil One to milk even this swing towards victory. It seems even as we are patching the “liberal” hole in the dyke, other holes of other persuasions are springing up.

  7. annonymouse says:

    Can. 751 Heresy is the obstinate denial or obstinate doubt after the reception of baptism of some truth which is to be believed by divine and Catholic faith.

    I agree, based on their obstinate doubt and outright denial of magisterial teachings, that many of the so-called “liberals” described in the article are actually heretics. While we may not burn them, they should should be aware that by their heresy they excommunicate themselves latae sententiae.

  8. There’s nothing uncharitable or being a Pharisee about being an Orthodox Catholic! There are only those of their own accord, who act unkindly toward others while being self-involved; reflecting a heightened view of self rather than Jesus. It may be due to individual personality issues rather than religion.

  9. JLo says:

    annonymouse says it boils down to a question of pride vs. humility. That’s certainly it; because if pride is not involved, when one loses faith in something, one might feel sad or lost or confused, but wanting to attack that which you disdain must involve pride. Not so bad to be humble and it’s not boastful to claim you are humble! My favorite definition of it I learned many years ago: to be humble is to know your own limitations. Nutshell. Why would I think that I know more than 2000 years of developed theology in a Church started by Jesus Christ? I’m not stupid!! 🙂 +JMJ

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