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Discuss your priests’ and parishes’ SSM comments

June 25th, 2011, Promulgated by b a

Seeing as how just this Friday a monumental social engineering piece of legislation was passed, I’d be curious to know what your priests and parishes have to say about it. Did your priest (or lay-person) mention it in his homily (or liturgical abuse speech)? Was there any other mention of it elsewhere in the parish? It’s high time we start outing poor leadership and calling them to task. If one word is mentioned that sounds like support for this disgusting legislation, it should be documented and reported. How bout starting here and letting us know what you heard from the pulpit?



20 Responses to “Discuss your priests’ and parishes’ SSM comments”

  1. Diane says:

    Nothing was mentioned in the homily.

  2. JLo says:

    We were at Holy Mass Saturday morning and today, and neither Fr. Reif yesterday nor Fr. Wheeland at 7:30 a.m. today said a word. Too bad. And if anything was said during the general intercessions of either of those Holy Masses, I missed it!

    Our priests MUST start shepherding the flocks in this matter, because too many Catholics have opened another cafeteria line and think it’s okay! +JMJ

  3. Bruce says:

    Priestly silence on this issue is defeat. Period.

  4. Michael says:

    Nothing was mentioned at Mass. When I asked our Pastor about it afterward, he stated that the Bishop had already commented on it, so there was nothing more for him to say.

  5. JLo says:

    Hooray for Fr. Leone! What parish, Michael at 10:33? +JMJ

  6. Fr. Leone displays valiant endeavor in willing to go to jail for refusing to marry Same Sex Couples but that assessment is not accurate. A priest will not be arrested and go to jail for refusing to marry Same Sex Couples. Civil proceedings would take place which means the priest, the parish, and the Diocese could be sued. For this reason it is fortunate that the provision to safeguard religious institutions was added.

    Priests, Deacons, and parishioners should educate themselves in regard to legal proceedings to learn what will cause arrest and incarceration, what will cause a subpoena to appear in court to be sued, and what could cause both to occur.

    The course of action which could take place against religious institutions if the provision did not exist could cause the annihilation of different faiths, including the Roman Catholic Faith, even if a lawsuit wasn’t won, due to efforts in court causing money,a local Diocese, or many Dioceses, could be drained of money. If lawsuits were won supported by homosexual advocacy groups who appear to have enormous resources of personnel and funds, it could mean the end to the existance of major organized faiths.

  7. Raymond Rice says:

    No comment at Mass. According to the trial of St Thomas More, in English law, silence is assent!!

  8. annonymouse says:

    Crickets chirping, that’s all I heard.

  9. There was no mention at SSM at St. Andrew Church at the 9:30 A.M. We had a visiting priest who gave a great homily on the Body and Blood of Christ.

  10. Dominick Anthony Zarcone says:

    christian 1954, you and I were at the same mass this morning at STA on Portland Ave!
    I agree that Father Dollen gave a really good “Catholic Homily” for the Solemnity of THE BODY OF CHRIST. While this faithful and devoted priest chose not to discuss the new legislation, I do not fault him. There will be plenty of time to brainstorm possible action steps in this next phase of the culture war. After our new pastoral administrator and two assisting priests arrive this week, you, Christian 1954 and I, if you like, can approach them and ask WHAT STEPS WILL OUR PARISH UNDER YOUR LEADERSHIP TAKE IN LIGHT OF THIS NEW LEGISLATION ON same-sex marriage? See you in Church.

  11. JLo says:

    How about faithful Catholics (and others) who do not want to supply flowers or rent rooms or cater or provide music, etc., to the coming bogus “weddings”? Will they all be sued and lose their businesses? Is there a “clause” in that rag… er, I mean bill… that provides a conscience exemption to all who have a well-formed one? The nightmare has just begun. Even though not among the protected priesthood, Fr. Leone will see much martyrdom. +JMJ

  12. Chris says:

    There was no mention at St. Frances Xavier Cabrini (Our Lady of the Americas). But, Fr. Tracy gave a really good homily on the Body and Blood of Christ.

  13. Dominic Anthony Zarcone: I also do not fault Father Dollen for not addressing SSM. He is a very faithful, spiritual priest who delivers well thought-out and prepared homilies using relevant examples. Fr.Dollen is not permanently assigned to our parish; we are very fortunate to have him with us. I for one, am very grateful. —You managed to convey more accurately what I was trying to convey. Peace!

  14. Ben Anderson says:

    Just to be clear (I should’ve been more so in the original post), I am in no way trying to fault priests for not mentioning SSM in this one particular homily. In general, yes, I think we need to hear more about it. And not only that “we don’t agree” with SSM, but tell us how to deal with it. Tell us how to treat the situation amongst loved ones. Tell us what the proper Christian response is, instead of leaving us guessing. But in no way was I trying to provide a litmus test that if your priest didn’t mention it this particular Sunday (Feast of Corpus Christi) that he is a failure. I was more concerned that some priests and parishes might be subtly endorsing the legislation. I thank you for all sharing your experiences. Perhaps talking to our priests about some of the issues we face as laity might encourage them to speak up (like Fr. Leone – God bless him).

  15. OLS Parishioner says:

    Fr. John Gathenya mentioned it and said that he would write about it in his article for the Holy Family bulletin when he begins his pastorate there on Tuesday. He said that we could read it there.

  16. JLo: You have an important point-what about businesses who are Catholic, another Christian denomination, one of the other faiths, or anyone who do not want to supply flowers, cater, provide music, or rent a room for SSM’s? Can they be sued and lose their businesses?

    There are laws in place which prevent landlords from discriminating against unmarried couples (and probably same sex couples). These same laws pertain to hotels and motels. So you can see that it is very difficult to be a landlord or hotel manager or desk clerk if you have strong religious convictions. I think it is already possible for a business such as florist, musical group, restaurant, or banquet hall, to be sued for refusing to conduct business with couples who are homosexual, because they are homosexual. SSM’s have already been taking place in this state without the blessing of the state, and in many cases, without the blessings of a formal church. But now that SSM’s have the backing of the State, it might increase the likeliness of discriminatory lawsuits against businesses who do not wish to provide services for SSM’s.
    I think a Forum is needed for how to handle situations involving SSM’s. The concern is how to handle these children of God involved in these “unions” with Christian love, charity, and concern without compromising our values.

  17. Gretchen says:

    Went to Mass at St. Mary’s in Clayton, NY (diocese of Ogdensburg). The priest had an excellent homily on the body and blood of Christ. At the end of Mass, the priest asked everyone to remain while he read a statement by Bishop LaValley denouncing Friday’s ruling on SSM. (Some of it is contained in the beginning of this article in the Watertown Daily Times. The rest of the article is bird cage lining…)

  18. Catholic Dad says:

    Assumption Parish in Fairport- References to SSM: Dead Air…Intercession prayers included one reference to a couple celebrating their 65th wedding anniversary and “for all married couples”, which seemed to be an oblique nod to the issue, if one thinks about it long enough….We did have a very moving homily by one of our fantastic deacons on the body and blood of Christ, that included a touching reminder that we are to go out and be Christ for all, including those considered “unwanted or inconvenient”.

  19. Anonymous 13458: I think you miss the point I was trying to make – That it is not possible to combat SSM by going to jail and being a Christian witness. So the point the Fr. Leone made regarding that the provision protecting churches and other religious institutions should not exist to allow priests and others to be jailed for refusing,(martyrs for the cause) is not valid. Although Fr. Leone point opposing SSM’s is valid and his intention is valiant. God Bless him for making a stand.
    Unfortunately, the law of the land only allows you to be a martyr for the cause with your pocketbook/wallet. Not too many priests,parishes, Dioceses, or other religious institutions are in a position to carry out that type of martyrdom. It would mean being in court all the time, paying out large amounts of money to defend faith against the law of the state. Because of this, I stated that it was a good thing that the provision was made to protect religious institutions.
    Since churches and other religious institutions are protected, it is all the more reason for carrying out an agreed upon agenda of not performing SSM’s.
    (Additional Note)- The only possible way that I can see a priest, deacon, or parishioner being jailed in regard to refusing a Same Sex Marriage from occurring at a church is -to show up at the church on the wedding day of the Same Sex Marriage, and prevent entrance into the church by protest line or disrupt the ceremony.

  20. Jim says:

    Jim M. here: At Our Lady of Victory/St. Joseph’s, Fr. Antinarelli didn’t mention anything about this in his homily, as the entire Mass (homily, procession, adoration of the of Blessed Sacrament) was focused on the Feast of Corpus Christi. However, he did mention it the day before, on Saturday, and reminded us that the bishops need to speak out more forcibly on issues like this.

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