From the Democrat & Chronicle letter’s to the editor section:
“Don’t omit LGBT community from justice talk
“God saw everything that he had made, and indeed it was very good” (Genesis 1:31). This is where it all begins. We value all that exists because it comes to us from the goodness of God. Nothing is to be excluded. Our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters share in this creative thrust from a generous and life-giving Creator. Here is where our conversation about justice for the LGBT community must begin. Nothing that is life giving is excluded from this original state of blessedness.
Over the course of my life, I have met and enjoyed the life-giving relationships of many gay friends. They have lived generously and faithfully in communities in which I have served as a priest of the church.
From what I have seen there is no threat to the well being of marriage by the extension of marital privileges to lesbian and gay women and men.
Justice demands that we treat all equally and I urge the New York State Senate to adopt the marriage equality bill that is before them.
—THE REV. PETER W. PETERS
ROCHESTER
He is interim canon for vocation discernment and congregational development, Episcopal Diocese of Rochester.”
The Episcopal church continues to move further and further from Christ.
Tags: Homosexuality, Protestant
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Emphasis mine. Clever word choice, this.
Now perhaps the good minister does know such people whose personal charisms of chastity and faithfulness do bring true life to their community even in the face of such temptations.
But somehow I doubt it. Rather I read “life-giving” as “their personalities make me feel good” or something similar, and yet invite the reader to think something about their gayness actually, you know, giving life.
I am not sure what is less likely: that actually happening, or me not losing my lunch consulting a medical textbook trying to see how it would happen.
When two men or two women can use their bodies and “give life”, I’ll eat my hat.
Reverend Peters can try to convince himself, and us, that somehow homosexual “sex” can be life-giving; he knows, as we all know, intrinsically, that it isn’t true. It simply is not the way God made us.
I think even those afflicted with this disorder know, deep down inside, that it’s not the way God created us to be and live.
‘“God saw everything that he had made, and indeed it was very good” (Genesis 1:31). This is where it all begins.’
This person must have skipped that part in genesis about the fall of man. This is where we need to begin when is comes to how we discuss what is good in the eyes of God. We are all fallen by nature and for some reason these people believe that this somehow does not apply in them.
I think the real problem does not begin with the gay and lesbian community. It began when society started accepting certain behaviors between heterosexual couples. We just need to stick with the premise that there is no act considered sinful between two men and two women that is not also sinful between a man and women.
Marriage is not a free pass to do whatever you want with your spouse. Unfortunately many progressives catholic couple don’t feel this way and if it’s good for them why not for two men or two women?
On the contrary,I believe that it is the partners being of the same sex that makes sexual activities malum in se rather than malum prohibitum.Treating same-sex and opposite-sex activities as “equal” is exactly what the homosexual lobby wants.
The Wednesday NY Times has an article on the Governor’s push for same-sex marriage,identifying State Senators Addabbo,Huntley,and Kruger and some others as targets to flip their vote…the more calls they get urging them to hold fast against pressure,the better.
Louis, are you saying that all acts between heterosexual couples are simply “malum probibitum” as you put it? Wrong is wrong whether or not the two parties are same sex or not. I do not thing you can play the game of it’s more wrong for same sex parties to act out something versus hetero. Everybody ends up in the same state of grace in the end.
Without getting into some arguement as to whether individuals are born with same sex attratction, I don’t think you can make broad statements as to what kinds of acts are more sinful for one party vs another. Let’s put it this way, if an acoholic goes our on a one night bender is it the same as someone who makes a conscience decision to go out and get wasted? Do we not consider one person’s act more sinful than the other? We don’t know peoples level of temptation or their propensity to fall when it comes to sin, only God knows. We are all fallen in our own way, so it’s best to just acknowledge what behaviors are sinful and make sure we take care of our souls when we fall to temptation.
I do not think equating the sinful nature of acts between heterosexual couples and homosexual couples provides any justification for same-sex marriage. It’s only when you consider both act not sinful is where you get into trouble.
I consider the discretion of opposite-sex couples more worthy of protection than that of same-sex couiples,and that’s what we’re looking at when we decide if they’re equally worthy of treatment as civil (not sacramental) marriages.
Perhaps what PJL means is this – since sex and procreation are no longer linked in our contraceptive culture, it’s difficult to say that one lifeless sexual act is better or worse than another lifeless sexual act. I mean, if sex is stripped of its (natural, God-given) procreative meaning, then how can one really find fault with the sexual acts of two men or two women – how are those any less worthy or good than a contracepted (or otherwise lifeless) sexual act of a man and a woman?
The real problem, which nobody outside of a few Catholic crazies seems to realize, is contraception.
Anon 8:28 was me