It has been reported that Mass attendees at Holy Cross this weekend were told to stand from the Holy Holy Holy through Communion (including the Consecration). What is going in this parish? How can it be proper to stand for the Consecration? Why such a sudden change in the rubrics at this parish? Are they trying to chase away all the STA parishioners attending their weekend liturgies now?
Addendum, December 6th: We have been informed that parishioners were accidentally instructed to stand during the consecration at the noon Mass by a retired assisting priest. Standing during the concescration is not a new policy at Holy Cross, and will not likely happen again. The request to stand was meant to be after the Great Amen, per the discretion of Bishop Clark, and not during the consecration.
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I was at the 7:00 pm Saturday Mass and we all knelt at the beginning of the Eucharistic Prayer and didn’t get up again until after the Great Amen.
Furthermore, nothing whatsoever was said about standing during the Consecration at any time before, during or after Mass.
Might I inquire if the person by whom “it was reported” was actually there?
Did they announce it prior to Mass? Prep the people ahead of time? Or, did he do literally tell people to stand right before they were supposed to kneel?
They tried this a few times in Boston a while back by telling people the rubrics were going to change in the Mass ahead of time. They did NOT stop the Mass to remind people to stand during the Canon. We countered it by a handful of us grouping up, sitting up front and just going down on our knees at the appropriate times during the Canon. People just automatically followed because they’re accustomed to going down. I remember doing it several weeks in a row and having the priest look over at me to give me the evil eye and when his eyes met mine, I was grinning from ear to ear. It was enough to stop the thing completely.
You are in a place a little bolder than Boston but if you have the people willing to do it, you could try it. If he announces it during the Canon, have somebody prepared with their phone to capture it on video, stream it up on your website with the usual and customary message. Circulate it to as many Chancery employees you can obtain the email of and as many diocescan priests. Even the most stubborn heterodox priests will usually reverse what they’re doing when it’s exposed.
You would be surprised how quickly priests will stop what they’re doing across the diocese once they see there could be a mole in the pews recording it and tomorrow they may see themselves on the internet being fisked. It doesn’t take more than a couple of months to put the shazam on most of the whacky stuff.
Yeah, I think it was after the Great Amen, not during the consecration.
Ditto for what Mike said…. I was at the 5pm and that did not happen then either.
This did not happen at the 10 A.M. Sunday Mass.
Fr Cool at UR routinely invites people to stand for the consecration, then looks daggers at those of us who kneel anyways…
Fr. Cool is yet another self appointed pope. We have many of them in this diocese.
OOOOOO…a mole in the church during the Mass to catch apostates. The way it should be.
At the 12:00 Mass on the First Sunday of Advent, after the Our Father, the priest told us to continue to stand until going to Holy Communion.
After Mass, he allegedly told someone that standing came from the GIRM, and that Holy Cross was slow to implement it.
At the 12:00 Mass on the Second Sunday of Advent, after the Holy, Holy, Holy we were told to continue to stand until Communion. I personally saw 3 people kneel, and was unable to see if there were any more.
It occurred to me that since the Pastor made the announcement that the Diocese had given permission to reopen Holy Cross School, that perhaps “catching up” was the price exacted, or at least, part of the price, that Holy Cross be brought up to date on what the Bishop wanted done. Who knows what the cost would be. Perhaps it will show in the curriculum.
please read the update in the main post – the whole thing was a mistake.
There was standing at the one Mass, that is accurate, but it was a mistake on the part of the retired priest.
Just a clarification…..Fr. Reif is not retired. He is an active assistant priest at HC.
“Father John Reif is retiring as parochial vicar, Holy Cross, Charlotte, but will continue his ministry there.”
From the Courier on 6/3/08.
http://www.catholiccourier.com/cc/index.cfm/news/local-news/bishop-makes-pastoral-appointments/#ixzz17Si3Hx3w
The beloved Fr. Reif, former pastor of St. Rita in Webster, is a living example of how someone can have two natures at once. He is both quite retired and quite active.
It is amazing then that Holy Cross can still manage to have 5 Masses on a weekend with only ONE active priest (Fr. Wheeland). It shows what is possible and the bogus nature of the “priest shortage” that is perpetuated by the DoR.