Ben’s recent C.S. Lewis comments made me start re-reading little chunks of the Narnia series. I have always been partial to the stories of Narnia, and remember reading them in elementary school. When I was perusing the Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe, I stumbled upon this sentence spoken by Aslan, the metaphorical Christ figure in the series:
“If the witch understood the true meaning of sacrifice, she might have interpreted the Deep Magic differently, for when a willing victim who has committed no treachery, dies in a traitor?s stead, the stone table will crack and even death itself will turn backwards.”
How many witches we have in Rochester, who profess to be all-wise and all-good, but who do not grasp the notion of sacrifice, especially in the context of the Holy Mass. These women (witches) and men (warlocks?) who castrate our priests with their liberalism, and who spit with derision on anything Traditional, claim to be living as “Alleluia people.” There can be no true celebration of Easter without a clear and absolute understanding of Our Lord’s sacrifice. Even at our Easter Masses, we see Christ crucified in the Blessed Sacrament. So, yes, we are “Easter people,” and “Alleluia is our song.” However, we rejoice knowing the price paid by our God for our salvation, and, in knowing this, do His bidding in reenacting His sacrifice on the cross on our altars.
Lewis also notes that when one “dies in a traitor’s stead . . . death itself will turn backwards.” How many of our priests have been ridiculed, and derided for orthodoxy, just to be replaced by women who appoint themselves “Pastoral Leaders” and perpetual lay preachers? How many priests have been “put in their place” by man-hating liberals who cannot bear to subjugate themselves to another person, let alone the Son of God? These women who show nothing but contempt to our priests, our noble, Tradition-minded priests, will soon find that the unending “death” that is the Diocese of Rochester will give way to a new resurrection of orthodoxy. All we need to do is wait till these hippies die off and ravenous moths eat their spotless, lily-white albs. In the words of General Patton, “All glory is fleeting.” What we see now will all be gone and forgotten in time. We will someday get to the point where Christ’s glory will reign over the “glory” we see now, a “glory” of failed politics, closing schools, new pipe organs, and forced clusterings.
And His glory, dear friends, is not fleeting.
“Viva Christo Rey!” – Bl. Miguel Pro, Mexican priest martyr, “Long live Christ the King!”
Tags: Joan, Liturgy, Nancy, Progressive Drivel, St. Anne
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Get some volunteer work to take your mind off these women.
What do you call blogging?
GEN.
Now thats funny!
If Nancy didn't dye her hair, she'd probably look a lot like Joan.
Now you have moved from criticizing the use of women as Pastoral Administrators, the statements of Sr. Joan Sobala and Nancy DeRycke, and their ministerial practice to calling them witches? This is really beneath the writers of a so called Catholic Christian blog. Where does the personal put down belong?
Better yet, why don't the two of you make appointments with Sr. Joan and Nancy DeRyke and speak to them in person instead of belittling them on this blog? Wouldn't that be more productive? If you are called by God to reprove your neighbors in charity and love, and to protect and preserve the traditions of our Church – isn't it better to do so face to face?
After you've met with them, let us know how it goes.
I met with both of them. They are both… witches. Yes, we'll use the term witches.
If you read what the post says, Anon 7PM, NOWEHERE do I call these noble children of God "witches." That is your own flawed interpretation. If I were to call them witches, I would actually say, "Joan is such a witch," but seeing as how I am a charitable person, I wouldn't dream of doing that.
And I have met with them. Several times. Sr. Joan even hugged me. Maybe before you leave these anonymous criticisms, you should examine your own knowledge of the situation and gauge it against mine and Dr. K's. The only reason we would even think about having Cleansing Fire is because we know what's going on, and we know what's going on better than some of the diocese's own employees.
"NOWHERE do I call these noble children of God "witches."
I dunno, Mr Beaver – that's a dodge if you ask me. It really seems as though you are calling these women witches.
"How many witches we have in Rochester, who profess to be all-wise and all-good, but who do not grasp the notion of sacrifice, especially in the context of the Holy Mass."
So, which Rochester women are you calling witches? You don't mention any others.
And then you have their pictures underneath and mixed in with a witch's picture?
Just my opinion – this type of post gives credence to the claim that the orthodox are uncharitable.
Ben – if one wishes to interpret my words like that, fine. But Look here:
"witch, n. – 1. A woman claiming or popularly believed to possess magical powers and practice sorcery.
2. A believer or follower of Wicca; a Wiccan.
3. A hag.
4. A woman considered to be spiteful or overbearing.
5. Informal A woman or girl considered bewitching.
6. One particularly skilled or competent at one's craft"
So I could be saying any one of several options – these women whose pictures are above us may be claiming to be magical. They aren't. These women could be Wiccans. They are not. They could be hags. I wouldn't say so. They could be conceived to be spiteful and overbearing. That's the proper definition in this context. Because they aren't particularly bewitching, and I don't know of any craft at which they are better than most. Does preaching count?
I am quite certain that we do have many women and men who are practitioners of black magic in the DoR, and who do not grasp the concept of Christ's sacrifice. However, I didn't say they were employed by our diocese, or had any connection to it at all. They simply dwell within Bishop Clark's territories.
We've gone over the whole "don't call us uncharitable thing" before. Of all the things one could say about the women whose pictures appear here, I'm saying among the kindest things. So many times I have to delete comments which make allusions to Sr. Joan's lack of femininity, her possible attraction to women, and other slanderous things. I delete these, as does Dr. K. We are practicing charity without advertising it, Ben. We don't delight in making other people note our goodness.
Nice job Gen.
Your work is breaking down the iron curtain that surrounded and protected Bishop Clark for so many years.
He has caused great harm to our diocese and he isn't done yet.
Our bishop will show none of this so-called "charity" for anyone who stands in his way, including our precious orthodox priests and nuns. Believe me, I have seen it with my own eyes.
Gen,
I wasn't accusing you of doing something morally wrong, I just wanted to let you know that even I (as someone who gives you the benefit of the doubt) could easily interpret your post in that way. How much worse would those who oppose you choose to interpret it?
"if one wishes to interpret my words like that, fine."
There are various ways to write that make it easier or harder to misinterpret your meaning. This post is quite easy to misinterpret. Often times, perception is reality. But hey – that's just my opinion.
If you need to write a few paragraphs in the comments to correct misinterpretations, there's a good chance that the original post was ripe for misinterpretation.
"We've gone over the whole "don't call us uncharitable thing" before."
I wasn't claiming you were being uncharitable, but that this type or writing gives more credibility to the opposition for making such claims against you. I would simply suggest not giving them that fuel.
Well, we don't really care about what the opposition has to say. "Heresy has no rights."
Not that I would call anyone a heretic.
"Well, we don't really care about what the opposition has to say. "
Well, that's unfortunate because you should. That's not to say you are considering whether or not to believe what they say. But you should be mindful of what they say so that they can't paint whatever picture of you that they like.
(following Kreeft's priestess speech)
Let's say 1/3 of the people agree w/ your overall position on tradition and orthodoxy. 1/3 are opposed and instead espouse a progressivist mindset. 1/3 are open to hearing what each side has to say. The progressive side likes to paint a pretty lousy picture of the orthodox side (and vice versa) in order to win their case. They can't point to church documents, tradition, or scripture because they will lose that way. Instead, the only thing they can do is appeal to emotions. They point at us and say, "do you really want to be like them?" The picture they paint of us is that we are unloving, cold, stringent, and pharisaical. That's pretty much the only claim they have against us. But let's not even give them that much because it isn't true. Obviously you don't have complete control over how you are portrayed, but posting stuff like this provides a nice canvas on which they can begin painting that image of you.
and I don't think the numbers are 1/3, 1/3, and 1/3. It's probably more like 1/50, 1/50, and 48/50. We need to do what we can to win those 48 souls for Christ. I appreciate your black and white view on things because the greyness is smeared too far these days. But gray areas DO exist – not everything is black and white all the time.
Ben-
AMEN, and I agree w/ you 100%,
could not have said it any better myself!
Ben, things are black and white. "You are either with me or against me." It wasn't "You are with me or against me, or you can do whatever you like if you try hard enough and try to be a good person." There is right. There is wrong. There is no ground for trepidation. Numbers are irrelevant. We have the Truth, and we are obligated to follow, defend, and bear aloft this Truth. St. Louis declared that only the best of theologians should debate with heretics. I'm not a master theologian like the Pope, so I would fall into his "everyone else" category. What did the saint tell this category to do with theological dissenters? "Run them through until the hilt of your sword rests abreast their navel." Now aren't you glad I didn't post that? We'd probably have at least double this amount of comments critiquing my approach.
Persis – I'm disappointed you didn't work in "Hallelujah" somehow into your response.