I was browsing over various websites to which I have been referred, and I checked one that is actually Sedevacantist. Before anyone accuses me of being a “Traditionalist” (Ray Grosswirth, this means you) I would like to redefine terms one more time.
- Traditionalist = Sedevacantist = schismatics who deny the validity of Pope Benedict XVI and his predecessors going back to 1958.
- Traditional = Orthodox = “loyal” Catholics who yearn for a return to sacredness without breaking away from Rome, the seat of the Church
So most of us would fall under the latter category of “Traditional” or “Orthodox.”
This being said, I’d like to quote from this sedevacantist website, because they have a page of several very powerful quotations from saints, popes, prelates, and more regarding the Liturgy. I put my commentary after the quotes to focus our reading on a non-schismatic course.
The quotes are:
- “The declared enemies of God and His Church, heretics and schismatics, must be criticized as much as possible, as long as truth is not denied. It is a work of charity to shout: ‘Here is the wolf!’ when it enters the flock or anywhere else.
–St. Francis de Sales, Introduction to the Devout Life, Part III, Chapter 29
- “In the Third Secret [of Fatima] it is foretold, among other things, that the great apostasy in the Church will begin at the top.”
–Mario L. Ciappi, Novus Ordo cardinal and household theologian to John Paul II; quoted in The Devil’s Final Battle, p. 33 (Sedevacantists love to point to the Fatima apparitions as proof of their validity. Personally, although I have great faith in these apparitions, I think that “Tu es Petrus” carries a tad more weight. I tend to doubt that we’ll have another disastrous Council-implementation as we have seen in V2, at least for several hundred years.)
- “The Church will be punished because the majority of her members, high and low, will become so perverted. The Church will sink deeper and deeper until she will at last seem to be extinguished, and the succession of Peter and the other Apostles to have expired. But, after this, she will be victoriously exalted in the sight of all doubters.”
–St. Nicholas of Flue, in Catholic Prophecy, edited by Yves Dupont, p. 30 (I don’t think that St. Nicholas had in mind the scenario in which we find ourselves. Rather than facing bloody persecution, we are confronted with certain individuals who, though very sincere, put more faith in their abilities than the Holy Spirit – i.e. the Pope of Kansas, Michael I.)
- “In our time more than ever before, the chief strength of the wicked, lies in the cowardice and weakness of good men… All the strength of Satan?s reign is due to the easy-going weakness of Catholics. Oh! if I might ask the Divine Redeemer, as the prophet Zachary did in spirit: What are those wounds in the midst of Thy hands? The answer would not be doubtful: With these was I wounded in the house of them that loved Me. I was wounded by My friends, who did nothing to defend Me, and who, on every occasion, made themselves the accomplices of My adversaries. And this reproach can be leveled at the weak and timid Catholics of all countries.”
–Pope St. Pius X, Discourse at the Beatification of St. Joan of Arc, Dec. 13, 1908 (One of the reasons I love Pope Pius X. Pope St. Pius, pray for us!)
- “The apostles and their successors are God’s vicars in governing the Church which is built on faith and the sacraments of faith. Wherefore, just as they may not institute another Church, so neither may they deliver another faith, nor institute other sacraments.”
–St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, III, 64, ad. 3
- “I hear around me reformers who want to dismantle the Holy Sanctuary, destroy the universal flame of the Church, to discard all her adornments, and smite her with remorse for her historic past.”
–Cardinal Eugenio Pacelli, later Pope Pius XII, to Count Enrico P. Galeazzi
- “Pope Gelasius in his ninth letter (chap. 26) to the bishops of Lucania condemned the evil practice which had been introduced of women serving the priest at the celebration of Mass. Since this abuse had spread to the Greeks, Innocent IV strictly forbade it in his letter to the bishop of Tusculum: ‘Women should not dare to serve at the altar; they should be altogether refused this ministry.’ We too have forbidden this practice in the same words….”
–Pope Benedict XIV, Encyclical Allatae Sunt, July 26, 1755 (So I guess lay preaching’s out, too, huh? Drat.)
- “On December 8, 1869, the International Congress of Freemasons imposed it as a duty on all its members to do all in their power to wipe out Catholicity from the face of the earth. Cremation was proposed as a suitable means to this end, since it was calculated to gradually undermine the faith of the people in ‘the resurrection of the body and life everlasting.'”
–Fr. John Laux, Catholic Morality (Imprimatur 1932), p. 106 (So many Catholics, including several DoR priests, see nothing wrong with the Masons. Any group t
hat takes its “final vows” or whatnot on a Qur’an has some serious questions to answer.)
- “It is impossible to approve in Catholic publications a style inspired by unsound novelty which seems to deride the piety of the faithful and dwells on the introduction of a new order of Christian life, on new directions of the Church, on new aspirations of the modern soul, on a new social vocation of the clergy, on a new Christian civilization, and many other things of the same kind.”
–Pope Leo XIII, Instruction to the Sacred Congregation of Extraordinary Ecclesiastical Affairs, January 27, 1902; quoted by Pope St. Pius X in Pascendi Dominici Gregis, par. 55, 1907
- “…the great movement of apostasy being organized in every country for the establishment of a One-World Church which shall have neither dogmas, nor hierarchy, neither discipline for the mind, nor curb for the passions, and which, under the pretext of freedom and human dignity, would bring back to the world (if such a Church could overcome) the reign of legalized cunning and force, and the oppression of the weak, and of all those who toil and suffer. […] Indeed, the true friends of the people are neither revolutionaries, nor innovators: they are traditionalists.”
–Pope Saint Pius X, Letter “Our Apostolic Mandate” to the French Episcopate, 1910 (Please note, Pope Pius X used “traditionalists” before V2 split Catholics into factions such as the SSPX etc . . . He does not advocate schism here – he is referencing being orthodox.)
- “When other Christian bodies are licensing as preachers young men who have abandoned the foundations of Christian belief, the Church would rather face the threatened defection of thousands of minds reputed brilliant or learned, than sacrifice one iota of the Truth confided to her by her Founder.”
—America Magazine, July 24, 1909, p. 110
Tags: Latin Mass, Liturgy, Orthodoxy at Work
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Whenever I have talked to sedevacantists, their answers seem to be very "straw-man"ish. They provide barely any backups, except for the misinterpretations of quotes they keep using, and using.
P.S. I love the stained glass window! SO BEAUTIFUL!
We are what you once were.
We believe what you once believed.
We worship as you once worshipped.
If you were right then, we are right now.
If we are wrong now, you were wrong then.