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“Kiss Me Sweet and Kill Me”

August 6th, 2009, Promulgated by Gen

Thus wrote John Dowland under the persecution of Queen Elizabeth I of England.

It seems as if there are numerous parallels between our situation today in certain dioceses and the situation under the Protestant Tudors of so long ago. Although we Catholics no longer lose our lives in Western New York, several of us have had our souls ripped out and desecrated by those who claim to do the Lord’s bidding. Names will not be mentioned, for you know those of whom I write.

It seems to me that left-leaning Catholics who gain leadership roles are seldom passive in their approach to administration, while those who are right-leaning (right as in both conservative and correct) are much more docile and humble. Of course, there are exceptions in both. However, how many people have fled parishes because the priest did what he was supposed to? My guess: considerably less than have left because of liberal shenanigans. Before the “new ways” were ingrained into the minds of our religious, nuns were contented to be nuns and priests were proud to be priests. Now, we have nuns who look with contempt upon their femininity and wish to become priests, and we have priests who are ashamed of their vocation. When was the last time you saw a priest, other than the priests favored here, wearing a collar or a cassock in public? I myself ran into Fr. Gary Tyman at Barnes and Noble during a recent stay. His apparel: polo shirt, khakis and dress shoes. I pray that our local church learns to appreciate the masculinity of the priesthood and the femininity of “nunhood.” After all, even in the first few centuries of our Church, women stepped forward, not to be priests, but to serve as an early form of religious. They visited the sick, buried the dead, helped to lead underground faith communities. The key word there: helped. They did not preside at early liturgies, and if so, did so as illicitly and invalidly as certain women do now.

“Kiss me sweet, and kill me.” If we are to die for the Holy Mother Church in a “white martyrdom of faith,” so to speak, then let us make the most of it. Let our sufferings be used to bring attention to those who perpetuate error and heterodoxy. When we are chastised for orthodoxy and preserving tradition, then let us strike back with our words and our education. After all, liberlaism is, at it score, naive. It looks only at the present and forsakes the future and the past as irrelevent to present desires. Just look at our mounting national debt for proof of this. We need to give our young people the desire to stand up for the Church, and we need to make sure that our adults and elderly are firm in the Faith, unwilling to buy into the falsities of this modernist heresy. We are the Church. Let us not permit it be desecrated without a fight.

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38 Responses to ““Kiss Me Sweet and Kill Me””

  1. avatar Dr. K says:

    Perfect in every detail.

    This line especially is important in the DoR today: "Now, we have nuns who look with contempt upon their femininity and wish to become priests, and we have priests who are ashamed of their vocation"

    A lot of the progressives and liberals feel guilt for sins they did not commit, and are always trying to make it up to those who they feel have been oppressed. Just as how many liberals want reparations for African Americans for sins their great great grandfathers may or may not have committed (many of these people probably came to the U.S. in the late 1800s/early 1900s anyways), progressives in our Church want to allow women to be priests and to manually stuff them into every possible position (a la Bishop Clark) because of some perceived oppression against women in the "male dominated hierarchy."

    These people shouldn't feel guilty, they should feel proud of who they are. Priests should be proud to be priests. They shouldn't dedicate their lives to modifying the Church and apologizing for sins that haven't been committed.

    Who got in the heads of these priests?

    ~Dr. K

  2. avatar Anonymous says:

    Our orthodox priests are being persecuted by feminine priests and masculine nuns. What a topsy turvy diocese.

  3. avatar Anonymous says:

    I am familiar with Fr. Tyman, but in his defense, could the day the person saw him been his day off? My brother-in-law, who is from the DoR but serves as a priest for the Archdiocese of NYC and is an orthodox priest does not wear his clerics ob his day off. As to the guilt we are suppose to feel towards African Americans, while it is horrible to enslave anyone, my ancestors did not come to America until after the civil war was over. In fact, my great grandmother's occupation on the ship manifest she came over on was peasant.

    Hennepin

  4. avatar Anonymous says:

    I bet Grosswirth wears his collar when he goes to the book store.

    Hopefully he wears a belt.

  5. avatar Gen says:

    A priest never "takes a day off" from being a priest. If I were one, I would most certainly not hesitate to wear the collar in public at any time whatsoever. In a friend's words, "It's my habit. I wear it with pride and duty."

  6. avatar Anonymous says:

    I can understand if Fr. Tyman is just jogging on his own in the countryside and he's wearing a shortsleeve shirt and shorts, but when you're in public, it's important for people to be aware that you are a priest. You should be proud to be a priest!

  7. avatar Dr. K says:

    Is that a "Cleaning Fire Tip Line" I see on the right???

    Nice!

    ~Dr. K

  8. avatar Sister Emily says:

    If I were a nun I would want to be buried in my habit. Now they don't even have them. They have given them to high schools for the musical play Nunsense.

  9. Sorry for not saying something more substantive, but I like that you say "we are the Church" as opposed to "we are church."

    -Bellarmine

  10. avatar Anonymous says:

    My brother-in-law is proud to be a priest. He says Mass everyday and when I said day off that I didn't meant from being a priest. So, let me get this straight, everyone else but priests are allowed a day of rest.

  11. avatar Dr. K says:

    "So, let me get this straight, everyone else but priests are allowed a day of rest."

    Priests are allowed a day of rest. However, should an emergency arise, I don't think it would be appropriate for the priest to say, "sorry, it's my day off." By wearing the collar in his daily life, the priest makes known to all that he is a man of God, and can provide for the needs of the faithful should an emergency arise.

    ~Dr. K

  12. avatar Gen says:

    The pope himself has said, "The priest is not his own." Once ordained, he lives for Christ and His Church, not for himself. Yes, he might have a day off by official reckoning, but he is still a priest. I guess that some feel that a priest should have a day off from everything, even if he saw someone get hit by a car. No last rites for that poor fellow, I suppose. I'm not saying you see it that way, for I know you don't. I'm just saying that if I were a priest, I would embrace it as a permanent and perpetual aspect of my being.

  13. avatar Anonymous says:

    Dr. K

    Trust me my brother-in-law would never say, "Sorry, it's my day off". For you to imply that he would is calumny.

  14. avatar Dr. K says:

    I don't even know your brother-in-law's name, or whether or not you actually have a brother-in-law. And no, I was not implying anything about this person I do not know.

    ~Dr. K

  15. avatar Anonymous says:

    Anonymous is Grosswirth/Susan trying to stir up trouble. The married priests should spend more time covering his bare posterior and less time playing games on internet blogs.

  16. avatar Anonymous says:

    Dr. K

    If there was a way for me to obtain your email address without publication, I would give you his parish website.

  17. avatar Dr. K says:

    Anon 8:24, 7:54, 6:25-

    I have no interest in this at all.

    ~Dr. K

  18. avatar Rob says:

    A well prepared article, thank you for writing and sharing this with us.

    I don't know if this anonymous poster is Grosswirth, but he's looking for a fight. If he wants it, he better be ready, because I am ready to deliver a mental ass kicking. There's too much hate in the world, I don't want to hear any of this baiting from you anonymous.

  19. avatar Sister Emily says:

    A Priest having a day off is like a mother of twins taking a day off.(or for that mater mother of one)

  20. avatar Sister Emily says:

    No wonder we are all getting grumpy tonight. I just looked, it's a full moon out there!!

  21. avatar Dr. K says:

    "No wonder we are all getting grumpy tonight. I just looked, it's a full moon out there!!"

    Ha ha.

    ~Dr. K

  22. avatar Anonymous says:

    Sister Emily,

    So when a mom hires a babysitter so she can go out for an evening, she is negligent?

  23. avatar Sister Emily says:

    Not if she got a clean getaway.

    SHE IS STILL THE MOTHER 24 hours a day.

    a few friends and I wanted to take a Priest out to dinner. He accepted the invitation saying you must understand if I get paged I may have to leave. We asked him to pick the day and he said it did not matter ,he still may have to leave. We had a lovely time, he did not have to leave.
    We all worn our out to dinner wear and he wore his collar. How proud we were to be sitting with such a holy man. The waiters, the host, the bus boys all felt honored to be in his precence. you could feel it.

  24. avatar Gen says:

    One side rests secure in its eloquence, the other remains steadfast in its lack of clarity. We have said all there is to be said.

  25. avatar Anonymous says:

    Dr. K. said,

    "These people shouldn't feel guilty, they should feel proud of who they are. Priests should be proud to be priests. They shouldn't dedicate their lives to modifying the Church and apologizing for sins that haven't been committed."

    I ask you, Gen, we both know a very wonderful and proud priest who refrains from wearing his Roman collar, when he is out and about with friends, or pursuing educational endeavors, don't we? Can you actually agree with Dr. K. that this man is attempting to modify the church? Can you actually say that this wonderful man is not proud of being a priest? Does he ever emit guilt about being a priest? Yes, never, never AND never! (Respectively)

    Dr. K. you definitely need a vacation. Not a STAY-cation…an out and out VA-cation. In other words….Please get the HELL out of here …for awhile…'k, K.?

  26. avatar Sister Emily says:

    ANONYMOUS 12:53PM
    I bet you are the same annoymous person that posted at 12:35 responding to the music survey.
    alrighty now you need our prayers. you sound like a very unhappy individual that wants some attention because you don't agree with Dr.K. You post anonymous. I bet most of us know who you are. You don't have to agree with Dr. K but don't attack him with mean spirted unkind words. May I suggest some spirtual counseling and a big dose of ex lax. I feel sorry for you. You have my pity.

  27. avatar Gen says:

    A priest doesn't need to wear a collar to be proud of his calling. The English Jesuits during the persecution under Elizabeth wore nothing outside of Mass which distinguished them as "priest."

    HOWEVER: They never took lightly their duties, nor did they, for a single moment, think "I need a break." The priest to whom you refer would never "take a day off" from his vocation. Indeed, running three parishes is something which very few priests can do. If you have a bone-to-pick, well, you have the email address.

  28. avatar Anonymous says:

    Posted by Sister Emily….

    You don't have to agree with Dr. K but don't attack him with mean spirted unkind words. May I suggest some spirtual counseling and a big dose of ex lax. I feel sorry for you. You have my pity.

    JUST ANOTHER CASE OF THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BACK, EH SIS?

  29. avatar Anonymous says:

    OOOOOOPS I MEANT…..BLACK…..

    MAYBE IT'S BETTER I DON'T GET RACIAL….SO BE IT.

  30. avatar Dr. K says:

    This is too fun!

    To anyone confused about what's going on, my hunch is that Ray Grosswirth, married priest and admitted stalker (per a former entry on his blog where he admits to posting anonymous attacks at Ten Reasons), is upset because of a couple of posts here which pointed out the humor in his dancing priest video. Ray has had an axe to grind against myself for some time, and he gets his spurts of aggression when his wife leaves him at home alone with the computer. Notice how his attacks have been directed against me and not Genjlcgettys.

    While I can take the abuse from this fellow who considers himself a man of God in good humor, I am not pleased to see him mouthing off against the readers of this blog. I ask that you cease this un-Christian activity, and act like the priest you pretend to be.

    I have no reason at all to believe that this is not Ray.

    ~Dr. K

  31. avatar Anonymous says:

    This anonymous poster is demonstrating an incredibly lack of charity, and a disturbing level of immaturity. Maybe anonymous should practice what he preaches, the hypocrite.

  32. avatar Anonymous says:

    Doctor, I think you may be right that this anonymous poster is the married fraud.. I mean priest.. of Rochester, NY.

    Take a look at Ray Ray's last video:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFDShvBw_xk

    The topic of his video is priest burnout. Hmm.. Where have I seen this before…

    "So, let me get this straight, everyone else but priests are allowed a day of rest." – Anonymous 6:25

    Either it is an incredible coincidence that the two would talk about the very same topic at the same time, or this really is Grosswirth. My chips are down on the second possibility.

    Hey Grosswirth, stop acting like a little baby and shut up. You're never going to be a priest in the Diocese of Rochester. So put down the pipe, and enjoy listening to Mary Ramerman preach on Sunday while you sit in the pews crying into your hat.

  33. So, let me see if I have this correct. Ray Grosswirth can post here anonymously but we can't post on his blog because its restricted to Ray's friends. Is this right? I'm thinking that my porch light is on but maybe nobody is home…hahaha!

    Can somebody clue me in here.

  34. avatar Anonymous says:

    Very true, choir. Ray restricts comments at his blog to "friends" but he has no comments at all to any of his posts. Must be that Ray Ray has no friends?

  35. So then, Ray can do his "business" on our lawn. Ray why will you not allow comments on your site?

  36. avatar Rob says:

    Ray Grosswirth is a clown. He wouldn't last one week as a diocesan priest because the man clearly has a few screws loose. If this is the poster child of the married priest movement, they are in serious trouble.

  37. Thanks, Rob. I'm thinking to myself…is this guy for real?.

    Thanks again.

    Oremus pro invicem.

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