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The Episcopal Church’s Continued Decline in Morality

July 16th, 2009, Promulgated by Dr. K

There have been two big news stories pertaining to the Episcopal church and homosexuality that have taken place this week. The first one is that the Episcopal General Convention on Tuesday decided to allow gays and lesbians to be “ordained” as all types of minsters. This overturns a temporary measure passed in 2006 which prevented further ordinations of homosexuals to the episcopacy after the controversial 2003 ordination of the openly-gay Gene Robinson (shown to the right).

The second news story involves the Episcopal church approving liturgical prayers to be used for the blessing of unions of homosexual couples. This decision was made Wednesday night at the same convention.

With the continued moral decline of the Episcopal church, maybe it is time for the more conservative Episcopalians to take another look at Roman Catholicism. We would be more than willing to welcome back these children of God to the Church of Jesus Christ if they decide they are ready to return. The 2003 ordination of Gene Robinson almost led to a major schism in the Episcopal/Anglican communion; it may actually come to pass after these latest moves.

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23 Responses to “The Episcopal Church’s Continued Decline in Morality”

  1. Anonymous says:

    Now the Episcopal religion has fully become Spiritus Christi.

  2. I wish I could master how to link these videos so all you do is click.

    These videos deal with the Church of England and bishops and modernists.;=PlayList&p;=3879384753C1C724&playnext;=1&playnext;_from=PL&index;=37

    and this one

  3. Dr. K says:

    To create clickable text:

    click here
    click here

    Above is an example. Just replace the address for Google with the address you want to link to.

    ~Dr. K

  4. Did it work, Dr K? When I put my cursor over it nothing shows in the bottom left of my screen. You have to go through all of that just to make it clickable?

  5. Dr. K says:

    For example, to make the second video a link, you would do this:

    Watch this video

    ~Dr. K

  6. Dr. K says:

    Unfortunately, yes, you have to do that each time to create a link.

    Quick explanation:
    -HTML tags begin and end with the less than and greater than signs
    -This particular tag, 'a', is an anchor. It is used to make text clickable. So you begin with
    -The href after the 'a' is used to provide an address to some file. 'href' is followed by an equal sign, then (usually in quotes) the address of the file.
    -For this situation, after this, a greater than sign is put there to end the starting marker for the link. More stuff can be added such as 'target', 'name', etc. If you wanted the link to open in a new window, you would add target="new" and then put the greater than sign after this.
    -Next you put in some text you want to be clickable. Can be as short or as long as you like
    -Then, to mark the end of the clickable text, you put a to mark the end of the anchor tag

    ~Dr. K

  7. Dr. K says:

    More quick HTML:

    -To make text bold, you do the following: make this text bold
    -To make text italicized, you do this: make this text italic

    This appears to be all that is allowed by Blogger.

  8. Dr. K – So I click on my thing above, it goes to youtube and I get this message The URL contained a malformed video ID.

    What did I do wrong? I'm going to take a shower. bbl

  9. Dr. K says:

    You don't need the forward slash at the end of the address since it is not a directory (not that the slash is required for directories either):

    ~Dr. K

  10. Anonymous says:

    Time for the Anglicans to return home if you ask me.

  11. Anonymous says:

    CHOIR- DR K. exchange phone numbers!!!!!!!!!

  12. Anonymous says:

    Spiritus more liberal than the Episcopalians? Not anymore.

  13. Andrew says:

    The solution I am actively advocating is that the Holy Father will create a new Anglican Use/Rite structure in communion with the Holy See. There are many rumors that this will happen soon, for too many reasons to go into here. This then becomes a win/win situation. It gives a place for Catholic-minded Anglicans to go without leaving their heritage, as well as creating a structure that has autonomy which the local bishops can't touch.

    This would be big in places like Rochester where life under the local bishop is unbearable for traditional Catholics. It would provide a safe haven for traditionalists who are open to worshiping in sacral English: It is likely that such a structure would approve the English missal for its liturgy, which is basically the Tridentine liturgy translated into Prayerbook English.

    Such a locus would give another base of operations from which to launch the Benedictine `reform of the reform' spring of the Roman rite, after the Age of Aquarius winter.

  14. Dr. K says:

    I'm all for the idea. It seemed to be on track about a year ago, maybe talk of it will start up once more.

    ~Dr. K

  15. Andrew says:

    Dr. K,

    In my view, the fact that we are not hearing anything is actually a good thing. Such a development is likely to enrage the liberals, so if it can be presented by the Holy Father as a fait accompli, worked through in detail by the Curial officials in charge of its creation, this will be the best case scenario.

    In contrast, look at the mess with the SSPX. Even though their situation is very different than the Anglicans, there are some common elements concerning reunion, etc. The fact that this is *very* public has put them under the microscope, and engaged other unforeseen obstacles, such as the Williamson affair, which brought in the world opinion makers, and the Jewish question. Big mess.

    No, for the Anglicans, much better to have a media blackout until the ink is dry, all the t's are crossed and i's are dotted.

  16. Andrew and Dr. K. – What am I missing? The Anglican Use Rite was approved many years ago.

    Do you mean to have an Anglican Use Rite parish in the Rochester area? Occasionally a priest from the Anglican Use Rite will come to St. Anne's and give a talk about it and then celebrate the liturgy.

    That was before the Sister Joan Sobala regime took over.

  17. Tony says:

    I think they are referring to the welcoming back of traditional Anglicans which looked like it was going to occur a year ago, but nothing came of it.

  18. Anon: 9:33 am..I just saw your post, sure we can do that. how do you want to accompolish it?

  19. Anonymous says:

    Choir, relax, just kidding.

  20. Andrew says:

    In the choir loft:

    You ask, What am I missing? ? Do you mean to have an Anglican Use Rite parish in the Rochester area?

    Response: Anglican Use is a great thing, and provides a good place for former Anglicans (as well as traditional Catholics, as ironically it is more obviously `Catholic? than the vast majority of N.O. parishes with their abuses, etc.). In places where the conditions are right, these parishes flourish and are a shining example, for example in Houston, TX.

    However, there are many practical problems with the Anglican Use as it currently exists.

    1) It exists only in the U.S.
    2) The rite (contained in the Book of Divine Worship) is somewhat of an odd-ball as it meshes the Book of Common Prayer with elements of the N.O. liturgy. Much better to have something like the English Missal ? but these guys know this very well and are hoping for a more consistent and historical liturgy to be approved/developed soon.
    3) Worst of all: It is all under the authority of the local bishop. There is a nationally designated priest that is in charge of the pastoral provision, but that is it. What does this mean in practice? Well in places where the bishops have a clue about what Anglican-Catholic heritage and patrimony is, and are willing to support it, then things are great; i.e. Bishop (Cardinal) DiNardo in Houston. However, the default position of the bishops is that of suspicion and outright hostility (what is wrong with our lovely N.O. parishes?) There have been places where after an Anglican Use parish was formed, the bishop swapped the priest with another Roman-rite priest. In other places, when the priest retires or dies, the parish switches over to N.O.

    Let?s imagine a play scenario: my little church, Holy Cross Anglican church in Webster (a TAC parish that would possibly be part of this new-and-improved `further provision? for the Anglicans, God permit its creation) decides it would just love to be an Anglican-Use parish. They approach the local Catholic bishop and make the following speech: After years of soul searching, we have decided that because we share the faith of the Catholic Church, we should be in communion. We want to be Catholic, worshiping as an `Anglican-Use? parish. This is because the Catholic Church has so faithfully witnessed to the true faith that the `higher level of despair? of the Anglicans has so clearly shown to be the case. We affirm the Catholic teaching that priesthood is reserved solely to men, that homosexuality is `intrinsically disordered? and believe all other aspects of the faith, as contained in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. By the way, we just love Pope Benedict the XVI, and think he?s the greatest. However, we also like good liturgy, and hope that we can keep some aspects of our tradition that is agreeable to the Catholic Church, as determined by those lovely folks at the Vatican.

    How do think the good bishop would reply? Come into my parlor said the spider to the fly?.

    On the other hand, if the rumors have any substance, the `further provision? coming for the TAC, and others in the Anglo-Catholic tradition will have some degree of local autonomy, such as that of an Apostolic Administration, answerable to a prelate that is directly subject to the Pope. This seems to me to be the only workable solution under the present conditions.

    Hope this helps to clarify things.

  21. Dr. K says:

    Eastern Rite Catholics have their own bishops, it would make sense that Anglican Rite Catholics should as well.

    ~Dr. K

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