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Ticker Posts — October 2018

October 20th, 2018, Promulgated by Administrator

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18 Responses to “Ticker Posts — October 2018”

  1. avatar Ginger says:

    From 120 Mornings with Fulton Sheen by Heirich
    A few decades ago, nobody believed in the confession of sins except the Church. Today everyone believes in the confession — with this difference: some believe in confessing their own sins; others believe in confessing other people’s sins.

    The popularity of psychoanalysis has nearly convinced everyone of the necessity of some kind of confession for peace of mind. This is another instance of how the world, which threw Christian truths into the wastebasket in the nineteenth century, is pulling them out in isolated secularized form in the twentieth century, meanwhile deluding itself into believing that it has made a great discovery. The world found it could not get along without some release for its inner unhappiness. Once it had rejected confession and denied both God and guilt, it had to find a substitute. ~Bishop Fulton Sheen-Footprints in a Darkened Forest~
    Tell your secrets to a gossip if you want them broadcast to the world. Proverbs 20:19

    I read this morning mediation just before Abp. Vigano’s third letter was released.

    The nature of Abp. Vigano’s plea is unique in all of history and I understand and appreciate his effort. I can’t help but make a correlation between Bishop Sheen’s mediation and the many Catholic responses via blogs, posts, editorials and news stories.
    It is easy to feel angst in the midst of this apparently necessary, unique and very public plea by Abp.Vigano.
    I feel a violation because I am a huge believer and proponent of the Sacrament of Reconciliation and all that it involves. Secrecy is a big part of that Grace. The veil of an unhealthy secrecy has been removed by this public plea and I must not confuse this with secrecy of a true and blessed confession and reconciliation.
    I could be wrong but if everyone faithfully went to confession, there would probably be a much greater silence in regards to Abp Vigano’s expose’ and all things related. Perhaps this is the hush we are hearing from the hierarchy of the Church. I’m hopeful the silence from hierarchy might be retrospection, sorrow, quietude and penitence. The actions they take in the following weeks, months and years will indicate the truth of the matter. Let us pray and hope for God’s Will.

  2. avatar Dominick Anthony Zarcone says:

    Every time Viganò is mentioned I can’t help but remember he already had reminded us of Wojtyla’s 1976 warning about the Final Confrontation:
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OrjstBS3HXw

  3. avatar raymondfrice says:

    Ginger!
    I do not wish to diminish the intent of your post but I did want to address the idea of confession which is seldom preached from the pupit. A friend of mine who is rector of the Old St Patrick’s Cathedral in New York City thought of a novel way to teach about Confession, He contracted to Sculptor Tim Schmalz to forge a statue of St Pio hearing confessions; it was recently installed in front of the church. You can look it up yourself because I don’t want to spoil the surprise.

    Raymond

  4. avatar christian says:

    Regarding the observation of the large decrease in numbers coming to church or involved in church, with regard to the Roman Catholic Faith, I would like to make some comments.

    Regarding the point of couples not getting their marriage blessed in the Church:
    Within the last ten years, a relative’s daughter belonged to a Catholic church in the Diocese of Rochester and wanted to get married in her home parish. She attended all of pre-marriage classes, etc. in preparation for her marriage with her fiance. Both she and her fiance had both worked while attending college part-time, to be able to achieve their vocational/professional dreams, and they both had just graduated from college. They did not have a lot of money.

    After completing all of their pre-cana coursework, they met with the pastor of her church to make arrangements for their wedding in that church. They were told by the pastor that they had to pay $600 in order to be married in the church (and it was not negotiable). The bride-to-be was devastated as they did not have that kind of money for the privilege of getting married in the church. She went to her parents to ask for the money, but one parent was retired and the other wasn’t working, and they couldn’t afford to give her that amount of money.

    So this young woman who was starting out in life in a new vocation/profession and with the man she wanted to marry, was devastated that she couldn’t get married in the Church. (The non-negotiable $600 fee to get married in a Roman Catholic Church in the Diocese of Rochester further strengthened some relatives’ negative views about the Catholic Church). This young bride and her groom had to get married at their modest wedding reception. So hence, their marriage was never blessed by the Church because they didn’t have enough money. The Sacrament of Holy Matrimony cost too much money. There is an assertion that the sacraments are free, but if your sacrament can only take place in a church, and there is said amount of money to be able to have that sacrament in the church, “it is a distinction without a difference.”

    Apparently, it would seem, the Church would rather have this young woman and young man, and other couples like them, live together in sin until they can save enough money and afford to get married in the Catholic Church.

    Currently, the price for being able to get married in the Catholic Church in the Diocese of Rochester is between $600-$650 the last time noted, within the last three years.

    Then there is the Rite of Christian Burial, another sacrament which costs a certain amount of money, also non-negotiable. Over three years ago, we learned that it cost $450 to have a deceased love one’s Mass of Christian Burial in the Catholic Church. This fee is on top of all the other funeral expenses. The financial payment is usually done through the funeral director. There have been a fair number of elderly Catholic people who had been long-time parishioners of their Church who wound up having their funeral service at the funeral home where they were laid out in/and or cremated at, after they died. These people were living on a fixed income and probably did not have much money put away for burial expenses. Their immediate relatives probably didn’t want to pay out the additional $450 to have their Mass of Christian Burial at a Catholic Church. Often, a priest has come to the funeral home to conduct a brief service.

    I have a relative who has been very generous to other relatives as well as her immediate family. She had a vocation/profession and receives a pension as well as social security, and additionally has run her own business. She is a devout Catholic and has been a widow for many years. She has recently become very concerned about the cost of having a Mass of Christian Burial at a Catholic Church in the Diocese of Rochester. She has stated that there is no way her children would pay out the $450 to have her funeral service take place in a Catholic Church (Mass of Christian Burial), especially with regard to how they feel about the Church.

    This relative insists that if this is the cost for the Rite of Christian Burial, she will just notify her priest-pastor that she is will be making deductions from her weekly contribution (collection) to be able to pay for her Mass of Christian Burial from that church.

    So, putting a price tag on some of the sacraments in the Church, as well as charging or asking for other monies, has chased a lot of people away from the Church.

  5. avatar christian says:

    To clarify, my comments are made in reference to comments made in a video that Dominick posted.

  6. avatar Ginger says:

    raymondfrice, That is a beautiful and moving statue by Tim Schmalz. I wish I had room for the original full size sculpture.

    Christian, I feel very sorry for that young bride/groom that didn’t have funds to pay the parish for a sacramental wedding. If the parish provided no relief, they could have gone to the Bishop of DOR for help in the matter. The offending parish was wrong to turn the couple away. Sadly, there are always bullies in the crowd. I doubt this happens everywhere. My husband and I paid the parish marriage fee for each of our children, mainly because I was ashamed to have them see a bill. A small stipend to the parish wedding coordinator for the few hours she is involved makes good sense. $500+ is steep and incorrectly justified when it is compared to the outlandish $$$$$ couples often pay for all the other wedding stuff.

    Regarding funeral expenses: Today, we can go to the funeral homes of our choice and preplan/prepay funeral expenses.

    Everyone seems to put a price tag on everything these days. Doesn’t CA charge a methane (flatulence) emission tax on livestock? Every parish is on an operational budget and this is how related costs are paid for. Also, long gone are the days of many volunteers. Sadly, they are mostly replaced by paid individuals. I prefer to go back to the old days when more people volunteered, fewer people were on the payroll and sacraments were 100% gratuitous.

    The video Dominick shared is excellent. It led me to some great free downloads at Renewal Ministries.

  7. avatar Ginger says:

    There are wonderful free downloads at Renewal Ministries.

    I did find the following website just now via an article on MSM. https://equalfuture2018.com

    It is a good time to point out the confusing array of ‘Catholicity’ on the internet and book shelves.

  8. avatar christian says:

    The presentation of Ralph Martin, “The Final Confrontation.” is excellent. I called to get my free copy of the booklet, “The Final Confrontation.” free Renewal Ministries, but found out they were not offering that booklet anymore.

    Increasing, on my spouse’s side of the family and mine, more young couples are getting married outside the Catholic Church, or any Church for that matter. The majority of couples live together for awhile, in some cases years, before they get married. They get married at other venues or their parents’ backyard, which is decorated and set up for a wedding.

    Even our one niece who believed that sexual relations were strictly reserved for marriage and lived at home before she was married, got married outside of the Catholic Church. She and her fiance got married by a marriage officiant with only immediate family present. No advance notice was given to relatives or friends; we were all notified after the fact. We knew that my niece and her fiance had been talking about getting married for awhile, but they were talking about just eloping and going down to the courthouse to get married. This niece and her fiance couldn’t see spending a lot of money on a wedding and thought the money they both had been saving could more efficiently be used on a down deposit on a house. They didn’t spend a lot of money on wedding attire, flowers, photographers, wedding banquet, or honeymoon. The groom wore a suit and tie and the bride wore a white/ivory dress with lace that went down to her knees. After the wedding with only immediate family present, they all went out to dinner. My niece’s new husband then moved in with my niece and her family until they got the rest of the money together to put a down deposit on a house as well as looking for a house, which was within months after they were married.

    All of these people who have purposely chosen to get married outside of the Church had stopped attending Mass years ago. They have different issues with the Catholic Church and do not regard the Catholic Church,or any Church, as the moral authority in their lives.

    The challenge is -how do you reach these people with the Final Confrontation when they have turned away from the Church, stopped going to Church, and have issues with organized religion? My one niece considers herself an atheist and there was no mention of God in her marriage ceremony at a special wedding venue with a wedding minister officiant. There are family members and other relatives in my own age group who have stopped going to church. I acknowledge I have take the information of the Final Confrontation to heart in my own life, but do I reach these non-churchgoers with that message?

  9. avatar Ginger says:

    Christian, I mentioned the free downloads at Renewal Ministries .net. If you click on resources, you will see ‘free downloads’. All the booklet topic choices are very good. Tonight I read #7 booklet Will Many Be Saved? I think it addresses many of your concerns. We must personally remain ‘squarely’ on the the path to Jesus Christ.

  10. avatar Ginger says:

    There are evaluations of the Youth Synod available starting this afternoon.
    At the top from USCCB:
    “What does the Synod mean for you?

    The 2018 Synod on Young People, the Faith and Vocational Discernment is wrapping up this week in Rome. What can local youth and young adult ministry leaders learn from the proceedings? USCCB Assistant Director for Youth and Young Adult Ministry, Paul Jarzembowski will be coming to you LIVE from Rome to break things down.

    Join us to learn:
    What has happened at the synod and what it means for you.
    Topics that will factor into the final document.
    How this can help youth and young adult ministry leaders in the United States.
    Join us at 2:00 pm Eastern TODAY, October 24 on the USCCB Facebook page.”

    Dr. Taylor Marshall will have an evaluation at 1pm eastern on youtube.
    There will be others evaluating.
    These days require more discernment than ever.

  11. avatar Hopefull says:

    Does anyone commenting here have an opinion on whether or not buying pot stocks is morally permissable?

  12. avatar Ginger says:

    Last year, stock value dropped when Constellation initially announced investing 4 billion in cannabis. At first investors were squeamish but I am sure that is all changed. It is just a matter of time before we see weed infused beverages readily available alongside beer.

    Catechism of the Catholic Church 2291:
    The use of drugs inflicts very grave damage on human health and life. Their use, except on strictly therapeutic grounds, is a grave offense.

    Soon cannabis will be widely available and used in ways that can’t be justified as therapeutic. It doesn’t make sense to invest in cannabis anymore than it does to step into a casino and drop money in slot machines or buy into the porn industry.

    There are many other ways to invest and make money.

    Consider that one in six people are taking antidepressants and other psychiatric drugs. The number is climbing with each passing year. Nearly 7 out of 10 regularly takes a prescription medication. Often times those prescriptions cause mood changes.
    10% of the population 12 years and over has used illicit drugs in the past month. Throw in the stats for alcohol use and abuse and the millions of cups of coffee that are consumed everyday.

    How many of the minds that we meet in person and in the digital world are actually sober, genuine and chemical free? That is the greater question. I would like to know.

    Abba Matoes said, “Satan does not know by which passion the soul is worsted. He sows, but he knows not whether he will reap some people with porneia, others with slander, and likewise the rest of the passions; and to whatever passion he notices a soul to be inclined, he gets in there” ~taken from The Book of Elders Sayings of the Desert Fathers translated by John Wortley Page 154~

  13. avatar Hopefull says:

    Oh, my! You mean that drinking coffee is a sin? Is it in the Catechism?
    How can coffee be a sin when so many churches hold coffee hours?

  14. avatar SamanthaGillenson says:

    Pope Clement VII would have a bone to pick with us if we decided to no longer ingest coffee! Here is a fun article about the history of coffee. Thought you might get a kick out of it!

    https://historyhustle.com/coffee-was-the-devils-drink-until-one-pope-tried-it-and-changed-history-2/

  15. avatar SamanthaGillenson says:

    Sorry, I meant to type Clement VIII. Oops.

  16. avatar christian says:

    Coffee listed among untoward drugs, causing lack of sobriety and impairment, really? I love starting my day off with a cup of coffee, and I think most people do. I’m also a regular at Starbucks for their dark roast coffee. I have come across some people in the morning which I have thought a hot shower and a cup of coffee would have helped them to be more awake, alert, focused, and productive for the day.
    I often drink coffee later on in the day as well, but I do not over consume. If I had to go without coffee for some reason, it wouldn’t be pleasant, but I could forgo it without problem.

    I don’t think you can put coffee in the same category with marijuana, alcohol, and mind-altering drugs. I do not think coffee will cause detrimental changes to someone’s thinking or mood.

    You didn’t mention tea. Tea contains caffeine and a lot of people like to start out their day with a cup of tea, as well as consume it at intervals throughout the day. Coca Cola (and other Colas), Mountain Dew, Red Bull, and Energy Drinks contain caffeine as well, and many people start their day off with one of these. (Often, there is more caffeine contained in energy drinks, and they can be more dangerous to health especially when consumed in quantity).

    I am a aware that there are some people who have a sensitivity to caffeine, which can cause them to be more talkative, jittery, or otherwise “wired,” and some people have to forgo caffeinated coffee for health reasons usually having to do with blood pressure and heart rate. But these people can opt for decaffeinated coffee, tea, or other beverages.
    A lot has to do with the satisfaction of sipping and ingesting a hot, good tasting beverage, especially when starting your day.

    Your inclusion of coffee along with other drugs, obviously due to caffeine, aligns with what has been the commonly held tenets of the Mormon Church (Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints). I have worked with Mormon co-workers who relayed they knew caffeine was not allowed in their faith practice, but went ahead anyway and enjoyed their caffeinated beverages. One Mormon co-worker really liked Coca Cola. Now, after all the talk of banning caffeinated beverages through the years in the Mormon Church, the Mormon Church is now declaring it okay. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/01/mormon-caffeine-policy-cl_n_1848098.html

  17. avatar militia says:

    And, regarding alcohol, I heard Jesus served it at the Last Supper (not counting the ‘accidents’ of the Precious Blood of the 3rd cup.)

  18. avatar Ginger says:

    I enjoy caffeinated drinks and food regularly. I enjoy chocolate.
    ..everything in moderation.
    I knew there was something wrong when those little shots of liquid caffeine appeared at cash registers check outs Everywhere, USA.
    The bottom line is that just about everything under the sun can be marketed for use and abuse.

    https://www.originallifemagazines.com/product/life-magazine-october-31-1969/

    This October 31, 1969 LIFE magazine indicates the length/extant of this debate.

    I imagine a time when free samples and testing weed will be part of wine and beer tasting tours in the Finger-lakes. Bristle

    Do you imagine our Pope Francis will publicly use marijuana as a testament of viability? He does not need to do that as Pope Clement VIII did with coffee. There is little/no restraint when it comes to using mind altering chemicals….licit or illicit. The least and most the Church can do is make a statement on the matter by encouraging self-restraint and sobriety.

    Abba Poemen said: “All bodily repose is an abomination to our Lord.” Page 45 The Book of the Elders Sayings of the Desert Fathers translated by John Wortley

    This is why I pray night prayers before sleep.


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